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  • #1207664
    Avatar photoViltash
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    Afternoon all.
    I have no mention in any of my fathers scrapbooks or photos of a Double Limit.

    That looks a fine effort with the Reckless Phillip rider ap.

    Tim Jarvis is the Kamir rider for sure.

    What about Tommy Carmody in the first photo? The horse is called Danhagen and T. Carmody did ride him when he finished a sensational 2nd in the County Hurdle.

    #1207665
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    Warwick Dec 30th, 1980, Danhagen won Div 2 of the Bob Cratchit Novices Hurdle, last race on the card, offering total prize money of £500. Under a 7lb penalty for a previous win, he scored as the 8/11 fav, ridden by T Carmody, trained by A Jarvis.

    #1207673
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    Excellent, thank you.

    Could I just bore you for one more bit of Danhagen form from that season?
    I have found a nice photo with no details on the back from (looks like) Stratford winners enclosure. There are some ladies with Panama badges on their coats, and a lady handing over a bottle of wine. Could you please check if Danhagen won a race sponsored by Panama?

    Thanks in advance.

    #1207734
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    I can’t access the card as the race was on a Saturday, but the results in the Monday edition show that Danhagen won a race at Stratford on Feb 7th, 1981 and that fits with the pattern of his runs as outlined in Timeform. They report he won twice at Stratford, the second in a handicap in February – that must have been on Sat Feb 28th in order to fit in before the County Hurdle. He was 6/5 on fav for the Feb 7th win and 7/1 for the Feb 28th win.

    He also ran in the Panama Cigar Final at Chepstow on Easter Monday, April 20th, finishing 4th – the winner was the Irish trained Passing Parade, who had finished one place behind Danhagen in the County Hurdle. The Irish horse was having his second race in two days at Cheltenham, having finished third in the Sun Alliance Hurdle the previous afternoon behind Gaye Chance.

    #1207783
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    I’ve got complete Chaseform/Raceform Up to Date Annuals for seasons 79/80 through to 84/85 if they would be of any help.

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    That first race at Stratford was definitely a Panama cigar Hurdle qualifier, ridden by P Scudamore

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    John Burke rode Reckless Philip throughout 81/82 season when he ran 6 times, winning on his last two starts at Huntingdon and Uttoxeter. He ran twice at Nottingham that season. 20/2/82 a Saturday, he ran third, and was unplaced on 7/12/81.
    The horse then ran 12 times during 82/83,three times at Nottingham. He finished second under Graham Bradley, Fell when ridden by John Francome, and then third under our friend John Burke, on 22/3/83.

    So if that’s Reckless Philip, at Nottingham in 1982 then it’s John Burke! And even if it’s 83 it’s sure as heck neither Francome nor Bradley

    #1207857
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    Thanks a lot for your continued sterling work, and your time, apracing. My Danhagen detail is really running on.

    So his 1980/81 season was

    Ayr 2m (unknown date) – 1st
    (Unknown track and unknown date) 2m – unseated rider
    (Unknown track and unknown date) 2m – 3rd
    Warwick 2m December 30th – 1st
    Nottingham 2m (unknown date) – 1st
    Stratford 2m 7th February – 1st
    (unknown track and date) 2m – unplaced
    Stratford 2m 28th February – 1st
    Cheltenham 2m – 1981 County Hurdle – 2nd (Always first class)
    (unknown track and date) 2m – unplaced
    Chepstow 2m – Panama Cigar Hurdle Final – ? April – 4th

    He had an exciting future ahead of him.
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    Trickmeister, thanks for nailing down the Reckless Phillip rider and other details.
    It is very much appreciated.

    I would never have got these finer details without the help on here.

    #1207906
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    I’ve found the Ayr race, it was on Weds Dec 3rd, 1980 and he was 6/4 fav ridden by Carmody.

    And the Nottingham win was on Tues Jan 27th, 1981, in a 2M handicap hurdle where he carried top weight of 11-3, again with Carmody riding. Can’t tell you the SP as the relevant page for the 28th is missing.

    Finally, the date of the Panama Cigar final was April 20th, Easter Monday.

    Eleven runs between Dec 3rd and April 20th – not the sort of program you see many horses trying these days.

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    Going off at a slight tangent, we used to pronounce TC’s surname as CARmody. He was interviewed once by the unfortunate Tony Gubba, who used to get the backwater gigs, and knew little about racing. I think this was at Haydock after a Night Nurse/Silver Buck clash. Gubba stood between Carmody and Ian Watkinson (Night Nurse) awaiting his cue, when it came, Gubba did his intro but you could tell he was already nervous:

    ‘Here are the two jockeys who featured in that great finish, Tommy Carmody and Ian Watkinson. Let’s get their thoughts. We turn first to Ian Watkinson,’ and he raised the Mic to the little fella who said, understandably, ‘I’m Tommy CarMODY.’

    Gubba learnt to do his homework, and I learnt how to pronounce Carmody’s name (he was a fine jockey, BTW).

    #1208030
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    Danhagen 80/81 Record
    3/12 Ayr T Carmody won 5/4 (price in Raceform Up to Date)
    13/12 Nott R Rowe UR 16/1
    20/12 Chepstow P Scudamore 3rd 10/1
    30/12 Warwick T Carmody Won 8/11
    27/1/81 Nottingham T Carmody Won 0/3
    7/2 Stratford P Scudamore Won 5/6
    21/2 Chepstow A Holder (7lb claimer) Upl 5/1
    28/2 Stratford S Smith Eccles Won 7/1
    19/3 Chelt T Carmody 2nd 11/1
    2/4 Aintree T Carmody Upl 7/1
    20/4 Chepstow M O’Halloran 4th 10/1
    Got plenty more details such as weight carried, Winner and placed horses, going etc if you want anything further. Certainly a very hardy and progressive individual

    #1208244
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    Sorry for the delayed response, very busy at the moment.
    Massive thanks for filling in the full season list apracing and trickmeister.

    If it is not too much to ask trickmeister, could you please type up the formbook (placed horses)style result for the runs I have photos for?
    30/12 warwick win – 27/1 nottingham win – 7/2 stratford win – and the mighty County Hurdle 2nd

    No worries if it is too much hassle, thank you.

    #1208285
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    This book includes all NH results for the 1980/81 season:

    http://antiques.gift/haig-races-and-race-horses-national-hunt-edition-1981-82_3464146.html

    #1208307
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    Viltash, if you check your messages I’ve sent you contact details. Info will be no problem.

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