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  • #19388
    darren83
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    If Requinto is not supplemented for race my tips will be

    WIZZ KID 16/1

    Though got beat by Blu Constellon as a 2yo this is a smart sprinter from France and last time out beat Prohibit and Inxile both those horses won a Group One and a Group 3

    DINKUM DIAMOND 25/1

    In this race there be a lot of pace in the race they go off mad and it set the race up for a closer. and at a price i think he go close yeah is form is far away from winning a race like this but i think he can do it.

    #367797
    Avatar photoJJMSports
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    Backed the Kevin Ryan pair – Bapak Chinta @ 7s and Masamah @ 12s

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    Avatar photoZenjah
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    If Requinto is not supplemented for race my tips will be

    WIZZ KID 16/1

    Though got beat by Blu Constellon as a 2yo this is a smart sprinter from France and last time out beat Prohibit and Inxile both those horses won a Group One and a Group 3

    DINKUM DIAMOND 25/1

    In this race there be a lot of pace in the race they go off mad and it set the race up for a closer. and at a price i think he go close yeah is form is far away from winning a race like this but i think he can do it.

    Last year I followed ‘Picadilly Filly’ ew into this – due to her good run in the Gros-Chene at Chantilly – (no I didn’t post it) who would have given a 100/1 shot any real chance that day?!! :shock: :lol:

    This year the form again is looking quite good – go through the race and there’s winners and plenty placed next/next time out! :D

    The question with ‘Wizz Kid’ can she travel and will she reproduce her run of that day being 5lbs worse off?! :?:
    At Chantilly she managed to grab the rail – will she be able or need to do the same at York? :!:

    The other thing she seems to like a bit of cut so this is for her and you if you’re still backing her?! :D
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WNLLNxURt4

    #368507
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    17 likely in Nunthorpe Stakes with a French!

    York on Friday. They should be 17 dragsters :o to spring on the 1,000 meter track in the Nunthorpe Stakes York (gri-2AP-1000-LD), which have the distinction of hosting the two years. Precisely, one of the favorites of the group I, Bapak Chinta – 2 years – will not be in the game. His mentor Kevin Ryan said he suffers from a small glitch after a morning’s work, but nothing compromising for the rest of his career. Requinto (Molecomb Stakes, gr.III) will take care to represent the younger generation …

    Yorkshire coach will still be represented with Masamah, recent winner of Group II in full progress … Robert Collet will be represented with Wizz Kid, and will therefore try to do as well in 1986, when he saddled Last Tycoon, winner of the ‘Nunthorpe’ ridden by Yves Saint Martin.

    Kingsgate Native, winner of this race in 2007, Sole Power, winner last year at 100 / 1, Prohibit (King Stand Stakes, gr.I) Hoof It – with a rating may seem abnormally low at 7 / 2 .. .- double winner in big handicaps (the best races of value-listed group III) and in full bloom, and finally the Abdullah-Charlton Bated Breath, Dream Ahead of the second in July Cup (gr.I) are the main candidates for success.

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    In all but one race on the straight course so far this meeting there’s been a massive advantage to be prominent. If anything even more so than usual. Both winners today made all. Most placed horses prominent as well. Unless they go too fast in front it’s going to be difficult for those held up.

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    There’s not a lot of action here… :lol:

    going back to 1980 winners by age… it might help – might not but this thread has hardly taken off has it?!! :o

    3yr olds:

    6 –

    Wizz Kid

    – 75 D – 81 –

    11 –

    Margot Did

    – 48 D – 34114 –


    5yr olds:

    8 –

    Masamah

    – 22 CD – 31811 –

    1 – Tiddliwinks – 10 D – 032701 –

    17 –

    Swiss Diva

    – 66 C D – 0 –


    4yr olds:

    2 –

    Bated Breath

    – 41 – 01152 –

    10 – Hoof It – 20 CD – 1711 –

    3 – Breathless Kiss – 22 D – 018706 –

    4 – Piccadilly Filly – 15 CD – 060535 –


    6yr olds:

    16 – Captain Dunne – 76 D – 6221 –

    15 – Hamish Mcgonagall – 41 CD – 188423 –

    5 –

    Inxile

    – 14 D – 113141 –

    9 –

    Kingsgate Native

    – 22 CD –

    7 –

    Prohibit

    – 66 D – 594321 –

    13 –

    Invincible Ash

    – 14 D – 346163 –


    2yr olds:

    12 –

    Requinto

    – 24 D – 31511 –


    7 & 9 yr olds have won it one time each also… bold = group win & italic =listed

    I’m

    still

    dancing! :lol: :wink: :D

    #368537
    darren83
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    Zenjah you still dancing you listening to Elton John

    Also how many horses in race like to be up with pace this will be run at a furious pace tomorrow.

    #368542
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    In all but one race on the straight course so far this meeting there’s been a massive advantage to be prominent. If anything even more so than usual. Both winners today made all. Most placed horses prominent as well. Unless they go too fast in front it’s going to be difficult for those held up.

    Ginger
    Maybe you’d like to explain to we mere earthlings the logic that dictates that it’s difficult to come from behind on a wide, straight, flat track, on goodish ground such as York – or, even, why the straight course should differ from the round (which all have the same straight 4f or so finish)?

    #368551
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    In all but one race on the straight course so far this meeting there’s been a massive advantage to be prominent. If anything even more so than usual. Both winners today made all. Most placed horses prominent as well. Unless they go too fast in front it’s going to be difficult for those held up.

    Ginger
    Maybe you’d like to explain to we mere earthlings the logic that dictates that it’s difficult to come from behind on a wide, straight, flat track, on goodish ground such as York – or, even, why the straight course should differ from the round (which all have the same straight 4f or so finish)?

    I have some theories, but they are only hunches. We don’t have to fully understand something. To know it is there is enough.

    I am surprised someone who looks at so much racing hasn’t realised the bias before Reet. Do yourself a favour and look up every race this season over the sprint course. Make a note of the first three home and how they ran (made all, led, chased leaders, held up in touch, raced mid-div, in rear etc). You’ll find unless they go too fast early (usually in big fields) it is very difficult to make sufficient ground up. Might also be interesting to look at the price of winners who race prominently.

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    #368553
    trapper john
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    i have studied this race no end and i have come to the conclusion that i have absolutely no idea who is going to win i dont even fancy one so i’m going to go with my gut instinct and have a small each way bet on margot did

    #368564
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    I have some theories, but they are only hunches. We don’t have to fully understand something. To know it is there is enough.

    But that’s the whole point, Ginger; there is no logical reason for it.
    I’ve even seen where a jockey has said much the same this week, but when horses are racing on the same line, without hindrance from tight bends, kick back, other horses, or making up distance on softer ground, there is no feasible explanation for such a theory and I just don’t believe it.
    Why – in 2 out of the 4 races following your post – did horses win from the rear on the same straight course that supposedly causes this phenomenon; surely they were racing in exactly he same circumstances?
    I’ve heard it hundreds of times before, it’s been discussed at length on this forum, I’ve seen it turned on it’s head almost as often and – until someone comes up with a reasonable and rational explanation – it will remain the old wive’s tale it’s always been, perpetuated by people like yourself, without cogent foundation..

    #368570
    Getzippy
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    My enthusiasm has been tempered somewhat due to the injury scare (that seemed to resolve itself last week) and the trip is a risk, but I still plump for:

    Bated Breath

    …whom I backed in the July cup and I do think that is the best sprint form around, even so Dream Ahead disappointed in Irleland.

    So, a moderate wager at 8/1 E/W for moi.

    Good luck bloods,

    Zip

    #368573
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    Hamish McGonagall ew @ 40/1

    Unmissable.

    He’s never won a graded race.but he’s won 3/7 over CD. 1/4 of a length behind Masamah last time and that one is 15/2 best price. Form figures over CD are:

    1/11
    4/15
    4/14
    2/17
    1/16
    1/15
    3/13

    Never won past 5 1/2f.
    Best ever RPR came last time over CD.

    #368575
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    I have some theories, but they are only hunches. We don’t have to fully understand something. To know it is there is enough.

    Why – in 2 out of the 4 races following your post – did horses win from the rear on the same straight course that supposedly causes this phenomenon

    ; surely they were racing in exactly he same circumstances?
    I’ve heard it hundreds of times before, it’s been discussed at length on this forum, I’ve seen it turned on it’s head almost as often and – until someone comes up with a reasonable and rational explanation – it will remain the old wive’s tale it’s always been, perpetuated by people like yourself, without cogent foundation..

    There have been no races on the straight course since my post. :?

    There are rational explanations Reet, I’m just not going in to them at the moment.

    Have you looked back at all previous sprint races at York this season?

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    #368578
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    Ginger
    I think you are missing the point – whether it’s straight or round course, horses race over exactly the same 4.5f at the end of their races, so there is no physical reason for them to perform differently.
    Been to York many times, watched racing there for over 40 years, heard this old wive’s tale on numerous occasions, and seen it overturned just as often. Have queried this myth with a number of its perpetuators during that time, only to be met with the same ‘blank stare’ you’re giving me.
    There are no rational explanations, and I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to produce one.

    #368591
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    It is a shame you’re so set in your ways Reet, that you don’t want to look in to it more thoroughly.

    With York today and tomorrow and Salisbury this evening I have no time to go in to this now. It is also getting in the way of a Nunthorpe thread. So will start one in "Horse Racing".

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    #368617
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    So close Hamish…..so close.

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