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  • #26128
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    There have been 21 non runners declared today at Goodwood, 20 of those because of the going and 16 at Haydock Park, 13 because of going and a further 9 at Yarmouth with 8 because of going.

    Overall there are 58 non runners today, 48 of those because of the going.

    I have not really recalled so many non runners in a long time. Of course we have had some kind of rain in the last 48 hours or so but it is quite a staggering number! 8 alone came out of the 4.35 at Goodwood.

    Not a good advert for 48 hour declarations you could say. Have the promised riches of 48 hour declarations made their way to UK racing?

    48 hour declarations came in a little before I started following races, of those that followed racing before the changes what are your thoughts between the before and after?

    #479820
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    Frankly it is a farce yet the BHA allow it to continue week after week without comment.

    In this day and age of instant communication, 24 hour decs should be more than sufficient. Just how much money is British racing losing from punters backing all the non runners day after day?

    #479823
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    Most of the Haydock nons now shown to be unnecessary, but trainers fooled by Tellwrong yet again.

    Official going given this morning as firm, good to firm in places. Starts raining five minutes before the first race. Immediately after first race, official going now good. Time of first race, almost 6 seconds slower than standard.

    As for Goodwood, 24hr decs might not have made much difference this time, as the rain came after 10am yesterday.

    I agree the number of nons is a pain, but hard to argue with owners/trainers looking to save upwards of £300 (riding fee, transport, stable staff OT) if they feel their horse won’t act on the changed ground.

    #479830
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    It is amazing how Tellwright can continue to remain in his position with the glaring in-competence he continues to show.

    Today’s quick-hop going change is just a remarkable balls up, but nothing will be done.

    Very fair points, AP. Just one the face of it, it looked a spectacular amount of non runners.

    #479831
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    Hopefully the cards won’t be decimated the same tomorrow, if the Scoop 6 races are hit by non runners it could end up being a lot easier to be won than was planned

    #479833
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    This is all part of Kirkland Tellwright’s master plan to land the Scoop6.

    #479835
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    Things were much better in days when you were lucky if you could name a clerk of the course. Now the likes of RUK parade them almost as if they are stars.

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    Who’s bright idea was 48 hour declarations? I can see no evidence that it benefits racing, where are the huge sums of money supposed to be enriching our sport from the rest of the world?

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    Who’s bright idea was 48 hour declarations? I can see no evidence that it benefits racing, where are the huge sums of money supposed to be enriching our sport from the rest of the world?

    ATR and RUK campaigned for it in 2006.
    Punters as per usual were never consulted.
    The racecourse were threatening to reduce prize money even further in 2007 so a deal was struck with RCA and ROA to share out the spoils of the potential extra money.
    They had no idea how to expand the market in UK and thought UK racing’s only option was to expand it’s appeal to new overseas customers.
    Later, messing up the UK draw positions was thought to further appeal to the overseas market. Not met many that even have a clue that UK draw was changed.

    Many in Australia, Europe and Canada bet on UK racing but what the financial morons forget was asking how does any of the money they bet end up in UK or UK racing. At the moment not much of even UK betting moment ends up in levy. UK bookmakers will not take "overseas" bets even from Gibraltar. They still have no clue as to how to get hold of the actual money when the new law comes in.

    The endless feeble excuses and self certificates clearly shows that racing is being run for owners and trainers alone with the public disregarded. There is no spirit that the show must go on.
    Imagine if the far more valuable Premiership prima donnas refused to come out of the dressing room if the pitch was a bit soft or the drizzle likely to last all match. BHA has its priorities completely wrong and appears totally weak in its job of regulating racing.

    #479945
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    What use are 48 hour decs for overseas punters if they contain lots of non runners?

    Just think of all the money lost to the levy by punters backing all the non runners when they put their bets on in the morning?

    As for Haydock, why is Tellwright never questioned about his incompetence by RUK?

    Come on Oli Bell, you’re presenting from Haydock today, ask Tellwright how he justifies the farce yesterday of describing the ground as firm prior to the first race but good after it and after a little bit of rain? Some jockeys even said it was soft throughout the afternoon.

    #479975
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    This is all part of Kirkland Tellwright’s master plan to land the Scoop6.

    That credits North West England resident clown with way too much nous!

    #479987
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    Only conclusion to make is Mr Tellwrong views punters with contempt.

    If it happened the odd occasion it wouldn’t be so bad. But a false going report is just to be expected at Haydock. :roll:

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    I’m told they have tried to find a new clerk of the course, but every candidate interviewed by the chairman, Dickon White, as a potential replacement for Kirkland Tellwright, has had to be rejected on the basis of being suitably qualified and having a sensible name.

    #480004
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    He should be renamed Kirkland Tellwrong :roll:

    #480032
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    Oli Bell putting questions to Kirkland Tellwrong.

    Haydock apparently a harder track to get accurate going descriptions according to Tellwrong.

    Or more accurately, the clerk is incapable of giving accurate going descriptions.

    #480033
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    The combination of Oily and NeverTellsItRight was enough for me to put on the mute button for the duration of that conversation.

    #480043
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    What use are 48 hour decs for overseas punters if they contain lots of non runners?

    Just think of all the money lost to the levy by punters backing all the non runners when they put their bets on in the morning?

    As for Haydock, why is Tellwright never questioned about his incompetence by RUK?

    Come on Oli Bell, you’re presenting from Haydock today, ask Tellwright how he justifies the farce yesterday of describing the ground as firm prior to the first race but good after it and after a little bit of rain? Some jockeys even said it was soft throughout the afternoon.

    They do not bet with UK bookmakers so no levy is involved.
    The more serious issue is the levy lost from UK punters betting on non-runners with UK registered bookmakers who do pay levy.

    The Turftrax going map was not out until 2:15 yesterday so Tellwright was left to his own devices to make something up for the 2pm race.

    As the beaten lengths are decided by camera times and the clerk’s official view of the going, the first race beaten length and going data will go into the record books wrongly.

    BHA are no where to be seen on this issue. Why is the going map not supplied before racing starts? Why are top tracks like Chester and Newbury allowed to race without providing any going maps at all. Why are race allowed to be held without the actual race length being accurately known? I doubt Usain Bolt would be happy being asked to race "about" 200m +/- half a furlong.
    I think UK racing has now reached the point of "jumping the shark".

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