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It was organised by these lot wit..
http://radicalindependence.org/
Anti-English left wing types, the same type of people who sell the socialist worker in England, nuff said? lol
The problem that UKIP have in Scotland is that we already have a four party system with the Tories and their Liberal friends fighting out for third and fourth place.
Supposedly EUSA Socialist Soc. As an alumnus myself, I have some doubts as there were far too many Embra accents among them for a start, ken.
The Radical Independence group who harangued Farange were made up mainly of students – some Scots, some English, some Asian.
For Farange to cry wolf and say that these young, educated young folk are racists and anti-English is frankly both laughable and pathetic. They were protesting against his right-wing xenophobic/racist policies – and moreover, for being a prize twat.
He even accused a BBC Radio Scotland interviewer of being racist also. Nigel Farange is a joke, and deserved to be treated like one.
I would suggest Monsieur Farage will think twice about venturing across the border any time soon. If he does, he may require a passport for his return visit.
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In what way are UKIP’s polices racist? It isn’t racist to say immigration has had a negative effect on our country, it’s just sense. Do you like going to Bristol and Birmingham and being met with the awful eyesore of mosques, Asian community centres and polish supermarkets?
Farage isn’t a racist more of a patriot, does that make the great Sir Winston a racist?
If Scotland is stupid enough to vote yes then good luck with the euro, no defence, no NHS and no future except one resembling Italy or Greece!
Do you like going to Bristol and Birmingham and being met with the awful eyesore of mosques, Asian community centres and polish supermarkets?
Why are Mosques, Asian community centres and Polish supermarkets "awful eyesores" jbale?
Value Is EverythingIn what way are UKIP’s polices racist? It isn’t racist to say immigration has had a negative effect on our country, it’s just sense.
Immigration keeps the NHS going.
If it was not for immigrants then there’d be even fewer people paying tax and helping to pay for the population explosion of elderly (pensions).
When times are good immigration helps boost Britain’s economy. When there’s a near recetion – blame it on the immigrant.
For sure, keep tabs on the numbers coming in, but from Windrush onwards, immigration has been good for Britain.
Value Is EverythingThe Radical Independence group who harangued Farange were made up mainly of students – some Scots, some English, some Asian.
For Farange to cry wolf and say that these young, educated young folk are racists and anti-English is frankly both laughable and pathetic. They were protesting against his right-wing xenophobic/racist policies – and moreover, for being a prize twat.
He even accused a BBC Radio Scotland interviewer of being racist also. Nigel Farange is a joke, and deserved to be treated like one.
I would suggest Monsieur Farage will think twice about venturing across the border any time soon. If he does, he may require a passport for his return visit.
You may be right in all what you say H, but Farage is right; there is an anti-English element to a section of the SNP.
It was also obvious the BBC reporter had an agenda to annoy Farage. I think Farage was being unfairly treated. However, that is more than made up for the English media giving him/UKIP an easy ride.
Value Is EverythingImmigration keeps the NHS going.
.. because it’s cheaper to get nurses and doctors from third world countries than it is to train them yourself.
Don’t they need doctors in Africa, like?
You may be right in all what you say H, but Farage is right; there is an anti-English element to a section of the SNP.
It was also obvious the BBC reporter had an agenda to annoy Farage. I think Farage was being unfairly treated. However, that is more than made up for the English media giving him/UKIP an easy ride.
UKIP are putting up their first ever candidate in Scotland – hence Farage’s trip across the border. In Scotland, UKIP and Nigel Farage are regarded as just one step up the ladder from the BNP and Nick Griffin. Both have cult joke status in the eyes of most Scots.
There are extremists in every political party. Farage was treated no less fairly than David Cameron and Ian Duncan Smith when they have visited. In fact, SNP leader, Alex Salmond has received worse treatment than all three by various protesters’ groups.
Myself; in case some may be wondering, support The Labour Party and have done so for decades. I will, just for the record, be voting against independence. Not because I think Scotland cannot look after itself – it can – but because, being such a small island, it makes little sense to go it alone and we have so much more in common which unites us than divides us.
Remember also, it was the English Parliament who wanted Scotland to make a union ( the names England and Scotland would hence be redundant in place of Great Britain – Scots would be known as " North Britons "
) – NOT the other way round, and hitherto bribed many of its parliamentarians/commissioners with land, titles and money to vote for the union in 1707.There are currently in excess of 150,000 English born citizens living in Scotland and the vast majority love it here, and we love having them. Of course, there will always exist the idiots/bigots on both sides of the border who cannot see beyond a regional accent as a barometer of a person’s worth. For them, I despair.
Most people are good, regardless of where they are born or live. Unfortunately, it’s the few bad apples among us that sometimes spoil it for the rest.
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Don’t really care about party politics but I agree with Nigel Farage that ‘good immigration’ is good and ‘bad immigration’ is bad, pretty simple. Personally I do not think a polish supermarket or a mosque is an eyesore but I would do when there are 50 in a square mile. I read the NHS is at "breaking point" partly from pressures of immigration, so yes there are positive and negative effects.
Why from windrush onwards, was Jewish and polish immigration during WWII bad for Britain?
Don’t really care about party politics but I agree with Nigel Farage that ‘good immigration’ is good and ‘bad immigration’ is bad, pretty simple. Personally I do not think a polish supermarket or a mosque is an eyesore but I would do when there are 50 in a square mile. I read the NHS is at "breaking point" partly from pressures of immigration, so yes there are positive and negative effects.
Why from windrush onwards, was Jewish and polish immigration during WWII bad for Britain?
What is the difference between "good immigration and bad immigration" Jbale?
Unfortunately, at times of near recetion immigration is seen as "taking our jobs" because there aren’t enough jobs to go around. But as I understand it – there are some rules in place to try and ensure immigrants are only allowed to come over if they have a job to go to.
Of course the Jewish and Polish (and other) immigration was not "bad for Britain" Jbale, but it was not
planned
immigration. The Windrush was (as far as I know, I could be wrong) the start of planned immigration which is why I said from the Windrush, ie from the start.
Immigration has kept the NHS going Jbale; but of course if you are saying we should try and stop NHS tourism – then I agree.
I’d have thought the growing elderly population and increasing medical advancements are more of a
strain
on the NHS than immigration. But making that point would not be popular with the electorate. If an MP was to say "stop cancer/alzheimers/diabetes/etc research – because it costs too much", (not that I am calling for such a thing… yet) he’she would not be an MP for long. Hence a need to blame someone else.
It stands to reason that with fewer people dieing because of medical advancements and more patients using the NHS – then a bigger and bigger percentage of the population’s wages are going to be needed to pay for it. Even so, to keep figures at all manageable younger immigration is also needed to
help
pay for it…
Value Is EverythingPer Ginge…
t stands to reason that with fewer people dieing because of medical advancements and more patients using the NHS – then a bigger and bigger percentage of the population’s wages are going to be needed to pay for it. Even so, to keep figures at all manageable younger immigration is also needed to help pay for it…
Of course it might just be that the NHS and its current funding method isn’t the best way to finance Health Care!
As for immigration, there’s a lot to be said for it and many immigrants over many years have enriched life in this country. It’s not "immigration"
per se
that’s wrong, but the political classes’ manipulation of it without advertising their policies on it in an election manifesto. Google "Neather and Immigration" to find out what I’m on about.
Mandelson has recently touched upon this, suggesting that his party when in government bust-a-gut to attract immigrants without really taking into account the effect this would have on services (such as primary school places) in areas where people would settle. Any criticism of Labour’s lax immigration policies were automatically criticised for being "racist". Open debate waas therefore stifled; our political elite had spoken. Tough sh!t if a local family can’t now get their sprog into the school of their choice ‘cos now there aren’t enough places. Still, MP’s (of all stripes) don’t have to worry about such things; they make sure their offspring don’t have to mix withhoi polloi
(Diane Abbot anyone!).
A radical change in immigration should have been put to the elctorate in an election manifesto. It wasn’t. I wonder why?
Similarly, the transferral of sovereign rights from Westminster to Brussels and the stealthy federalisation of the Common Market should have been put to the electorate. It never has. I wonder why? (Yes – the LibDems did pledge an EU referendum in their last manifesto, never dreaming that they might actually get into power or have to honour such a commitment). Could it be that the great unwashed might just vote against what their political masters want?
That Farage – for all his shortcomings – still has a whiff of being a democrat about him, is reason enough to let him be heard (even by Jocks ).I thought you would be able to tell the difference between good and bad but here goes.
Immigration is primarily a left/right topic, but everyone can understand an illegal immigrant working for £3.10 an hour is bad for the economy. 700,000 Eastern Europeans settling in a decade has loaded pressures on NHS, education (school places & teacher to pupil ratio), home office (police & UKBA), infrastructure (roads, houses, energy) and other sectors and government departments (DWP). Labour predicted 15,000 Easterners would arrive and settle every year so that would be a miscalculation of 550,000 over the decade. Any foreigner that arrives in the UK for benefits, healthcare, a house, all three or for slave labour (illegal work) and can’t speak English or respect our values/traditions then I consider that bad immigration regardless if they’re Romanian or Pakistani.
I would class good immigration as highly skilled workers filling voids in the labour market for respective industries, foreign students attending our universities, entrepreneurs with great ideas leading to job creation and growth and giving (when possible) asylum to oppressed individuals living in fear under their tyrannical government. I think anyone who arrives from another country and adopts British values, English language and laws are just as British as myself. The foreigners that piss on Poppies, want sharia law, stay segregated, go to army homecomings and shout murderers don’t deserve to live in the UK. They also give rise and fuel racist/fascist ultra right-wing groups like the BNP and EDL.
I have never heard the argument of ‘we can’t pay for something so bring over "young" foreigners to pay for it’ before.
I thought you would be able to tell the difference between good and bad but here goes.
Immigration is primarily a left/right topic, but everyone can understand an illegal immigrant working for £3.10 an hour is bad for the economy. 700,000 Eastern Europeans settling in a decade has loaded pressures on NHS, education (school places & teacher to pupil ratio), home office (police & UKBA), infrastructure (roads, houses, energy) and other sectors and government departments (DWP). Labour predicted 15,000 Easterners would arrive and settle every year so that would be a miscalculation of 550,000 over the decade. Any foreigner that arrives in the UK for benefits, healthcare, a house, all three or for slave labour (illegal work) and can’t speak English or respect our values/traditions then I consider that bad immigration regardless if they’re Romanian or Pakistani.
I would class good immigration as highly skilled workers filling voids in the labour market for respective industries, foreign students attending our universities, entrepreneurs with great ideas leading to job creation and growth and giving (when possible) asylum to oppressed individuals living in fear under their tyrannical government. I think anyone who arrives from another country and adopts British values, English language and laws are just as British as myself. The foreigners that piss on Poppy’s, want sharia law, stay segregated, go to army homecomings and shout murderers don’t deserve to live in the UK. They also give rise and fuel racist/fascist ultra right-wing groups like the BNP and EDL.
I have never heard the argument of ‘we can’t pay for something so bring over "young" foreigners to pay for it’ before.
Thank you for answering my question Jbale. Despite your enitial post saying
"It isn’t racist to say immigration has had a negative effect on our country, it’s just sense",
it now seems as though our opinions are a lot more similar than we originally thought. Glad you realise some immigration does make "sense" Jbale.
Yes, mistakes were made. I agree, every immigrant should share (generally) our values and be able to speak good English like what I does.
But as I understand it those rules have already been brought in.Things like teacher/pupil ratios may have got worse over the last decade, but are they any different now than when I were a laad in the 80’s?
Yes, immigration has loaded some pressures on the NHS, but the "skilled workers" within the NHS has from its instigation (over all) more than made up for it.
Why younger? Well the "younger" immigrants will contribute to society a lot more than those at or near pentionable age. Presume by "skilled" it means those able to work, which is not far off what I meant. Only difference is I don’t see why we should stop those willing to work in semi-skilled or even unskilled professions. I’d have a problem with
only
wanting skilled labour, because it takes skills away from countries that may need them even more than us.
Value Is Everything"Yes, mistakes were made… But as I understand it those rules have already been brought in."
By mistakes do you mean the EU project, Blair’s new Labour or both?
More rigorous rules have been implemented but in my opinion too little, too late. Restrictions can only apply to people born outside the EU.
In theory younger immigrants should be more economically active but how can you pass an immigration policy based on age? Maybe age is a factor in that new point scoring system for non EU residents."It isn’t racist to say immigration has had a negative effect on our country, it’s just sense."
I don’t think criticising immigration is racist and while positives and negatives arise from the ‘free movement of labour’, I feel the recent mass immigration and road to an undemocratic EU-SSR superpower has been almost entirely negative. I’ve never voted on any ballots but I would consider voting ‘no’ to the purposed "Do you think that the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union?" Referendum in 2017.
I can understand Farage’s points, but Cameron and Milliband constantly change position and it’s hard to understand their message but they sound identical. I wonder what the SNP position is on being a member of the EU/EZ area if Scotland gain independence.
"Any criticism of Labour’s lax immigration policies were automatically criticised for being "racist".
Totally agree insomniac, it’s like criticising Labour’s war in Iraq and being labeled a ‘supporter’ or ‘sympathiser’ of a brutal tyrant. I also agree with transferring our democracy and powers to unelected elements of Brussels and having no say. When Ireland voted against the Lisbon treaty, the EU refused a democratic no and made the Irish hold another referendum with a year of pro-Euro campaigning, surprise, surprise it’s passes and now we have a president of Europe. Not that anyone actually knows who he/she is.
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