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Anyway, whatever happened to the Dosage Index? Wasn’t that going to revolutionise punting as we know it?
I certainly remember James Willoughby spouting forth prodigiously on the subject a few years ago. Probably hasn’t got time now, what with all the sectional time analysis to get through.
James Willoughby strikes me as foremost an enthusiastic recreational mathematician who chooses to use another of his hobbies – horse racing, as a conveyance on which to spin and crunch his integers, and quite possibly irrational numbers
James Willoughby strikes me as foremost an enthusiastic recreational mathematician who chooses to use another of his hobbies – horse racing, as a conveyance on which to spin and crunch his integers, and quite possibly irrational numbers
Spot on, looking at his predictions for this years Arc, where he stated that Mathematics helped predict each nation’s chance of Arc success.
Apparently, according to him there was a sound statistical basis for believing Japanese trained horses were set for an overdue breakthrough in the race.
Not too despondent at this slight setback I believe he is basing next years number crunching on the race on the colour of the horse divided by the country of birth.
Most incisive piece of analysis I’ve heard so far from a RUK pundit regards sectional times was Steve Mellish following the Cheveley Park who said –
“I’d like to have known what the pace of the race was but without sectional times you just don’t know”.
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<!– s:lol: –>How odd? Steve Mellish said absolutely the same thing after today’s Royal Lodge
Maybe he should subscribe to RUK, they’ve been covering part of the screen all week at Newmarket with zero analysis of them from the “experts”.I’m still awaiting Steve Mellish’s or Paul Morrison’s first bit of sectional times analysis.
Why bluff about something when you haven’t got a scooby do about it?Well, a year on, did anybody get rich off these sectionals?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I was a bit worried about this when it first came in.
Am very relieved so few people seem to be interested in sectional times.
Value Is EverythingThere are a lot of mug punters in the racing game.
Quite a few smug ones as well.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Lighten up Steve.
It was you who asked “did anybody get rich off these sectionals”?
I may not have got rich and it’s not exactly the sectionals you’re on about; but sectional timing and pace plays a vital part in my consistent profit making.Value Is EverythingI would prefer the title of this thread to say:
Nick Luck – “Great news, I won’t be returning to tv presenting”.
Sadly it doesn’t :(
I was a bit worried about this when it first came in.
Am very relieved so few people seem to be interested in sectional times.
Why would a vast majority of viewers who have absolutely no interest in them suddenly become interested because a number of time delayed figures appear on screen during races, intermittently throughout the season with absolutely no explanation of them from the presenters or pundits?
Apart from blocking some of the horses out I see no possible use for sectional times during a “live” race.
Steve Mellish is that enthralled by the sectional times that he’s totally unaware they appear on screen during the races
Gingertipster, with being such a successful punter how do you still manage to get bets on with bookmakers?
I thought they banned all successful ones or ones with an ounce of nous?I was a bit worried about this when it first came in.
Am very relieved so few people seem to be interested in sectional times.Why would a vast majority of viewers who have absolutely no interest in them suddenly become interested because a number of time delayed figures appear on screen during races, intermittently throughout the season with absolutely no explanation of them from the presenters or pundits?
Apart from blocking some of the horses out I see no possible use for sectional times during a “live” race.
Steve Mellish is that enthralled by the sectional times that he’s totally unaware they appear on screen during the races
Gingertipster, with being such a successful punter how do you still manage to get bets on with bookmakers?
I thought they banned all successful ones or ones with an ounce of nous?Yeats,
On screen sectional times have been explained many times on RUK. What they mean and how to use them.And the answer to your question has not changed since the last time you asked me.
Value Is EverythingIn fairness to us ‘ we have tradition on horseracing which is non comparable however the American sectionals and racing styles has been an education to all of our top jockeys and even trainers such as JGosden who rate the cultures highly.
I was a bit worried about this when it first came in.
Am very relieved so few people seem to be interested in sectional times.Why would a vast majority of viewers who have absolutely no interest in them suddenly become interested because a number of time delayed figures appear on screen during races, intermittently throughout the season with absolutely no explanation of them from the presenters or pundits?
Apart from blocking some of the horses out I see no possible use for sectional times during a “live” race.
Steve Mellish is that enthralled by the sectional times that he’s totally unaware they appear on screen during the races
Gingertipster, with being such a successful punter how do you still manage to get bets on with bookmakers?
I thought they banned all successful ones or ones with an ounce of nous?Yeats,
On screen sectional times have been explained many times on RUK. What they mean and how to use them.And the answer to your question has not changed since the last time you asked me.
As you state that you are relieved that so few people seem to be interested in sectional times despite you also stating that that they have been explained many times on RUK it appears that all this effort by RUK is falling on deaf ears and proving ineffective.
Maybe they should concentrate on what the majority of viewers want and not pollute the screen with random numbers for some races without explanation or analysis.
And regarding you still getting on with bookies despite you being so shrewd, I’ve been contacted recently by a manager from Bet 365 who is attempting to weed out any remaining knowledgeable punters wanting to know if your initials are MC
I told him I know nothing.Unfortunately Cav, I feel it unwise to comment any further on here.
Value Is EverythingAll this talk of sectional timing is quite interesting, although sometimes I wonder with all this talk of sectional times, and stats, and trainer and jockeys performance to a level stake, and ratings and form, isn’t disguising what for me is by far the main factor in picking a winner, that’s the horse.
Ultimately I’m in Steve’s camp and for me as a punter most of my selections are done on a visual basis. Maybe I’m too lazy to compile my own speed ratings, and so on, but for me it ultimately comes down to the horse. So I watch a lot of videos and form my own opinion. If I had more energy I’d probably go around the country from track to track.
So when these pundits are spouting about sectionals or stats in a way I see that as an excuse for the fact they can’t be bothered to actually do some research on the horse, they try to blind the viewer with information that most of those sitting at home don’t really care about, to make themselves look more knowledgeable.
That’s not to say that if you really do some research you can come up with some gems occasionally. I recall discussing with my mate a few years back who we thought would win the guineas. He really fancied Ibn Khaldun, who had won the racing post trophy, but I told him that his final two furlongs when the horse won the Racing post trophy were really quite slow, and not to compare with the other two favourites for the race, New Approach and Henrythenavigator, who in the end fought out the finish (whatever happened to Ibn Khaldun?)
So that’s a very clear example for me where sectionals are relevant, and you did’t need to blind yourself with too much information to realize this.
for me as a punter most of my selections are done on a visual basis. Maybe I’m too lazy to compile my own speed ratings, and so on, but for me it ultimately comes down to the horse. So I watch a lot of videos and form my own opinion. If I had more energy I’d probably go around the country from track to track.
So when these pundits are spouting about sectionals or stats in a way I see that as an excuse for the fact they can’t be bothered to actually do some research on the horse, they try to blind the viewer with information that most of those sitting at home don’t really care about, to make themselves look more knowledgeable.
It’s not a question of doing sectional times instead of looking at horses Judge.
It’s as well as looking at horses.
It’s part of the “research on horses”.Value Is Everythingfor me as a punter most of my selections are done on a visual basis. Maybe I’m too lazy to compile my own speed ratings, and so on, but for me it ultimately comes down to the horse. So I watch a lot of videos and form my own opinion. If I had more energy I’d probably go around the country from track to track.
So when these pundits are spouting about sectionals or stats in a way I see that as an excuse for the fact they can’t be bothered to actually do some research on the horse, they try to blind the viewer with information that most of those sitting at home don’t really care about, to make themselves look more knowledgeable.
It’s not a question of doing sectional times instead of looking at horses Judge.
It’s as well as looking at horses.
It’s part of the “research on horses”.Yes I agree. Sectional timing done properly is a good thing, but my point is that a lot of pundits just seem to throw this information out there without having a clue what they are talking about.
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