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"For Newmarket July Festival on C4 Racing".
Yes Nick, I bet your core audience are absolutely thrilled at their return, who will be doing the instant analysis of them? Clare Balding? Tanya Stevenson? Nick Luck?
Hey Nick I’ve got an idea for C4 racing,
Howsabout you show the horses in the paddock and going to post? Now that would be a great innovation rather than watching people yapping all the time.
Does this mean my RUK screen will also be cluttered up with sectional times again during the races
Its probably good news for the guys that use them , and fair play ….but what about more of the horses Ch 4 ……
Its a load of bollocks
Still you can always not watch it !!!
On Friday Lydia was fulsome in her praise at the return of sectional times when interviewing Michael Prosser but despite this enthusiasm Lydia and her colleagues failed to provide one ounce of analysis regards them the first two days.
Don’t know about yesterday as I believe Willow was on so he may have provided some but watched replay and sectional times ceased following the Bunbury Cup but the ones that were displayed were almost a furlong behind the action. Think they had first 4fs of the first race on Thursday in 16 secs.
I have no problem with sectional times being used after the race but it is utterley pointless to clutter up the screen with them during the live race when they are so far behind the action and no reference is made regards them by either presenters or pundits.
Most of the racing pundits just talk the talk when it comes to sectional timing, because between them they haven’t got a scooby on how the days going allowance is effecting the fractions.
For an example, how would they compare the two day Newmarket meeting.
Newmarket Friday going allowance
-0.43s/f
(good to soft)
Newmarket Saturday going allowance-0.25s/f
(good to soft)
As you can see, trying to compare sectionals wouldn’t be of much use
unless you knew what the going was, mind you this is only my opinion…An excellent post Blues …..brilliant , which echoes my point , its bollocks
the vast majority of punters, will not have a clue about track variant , split times in isolation ….maybe if we had uniform racing like in USA …it would make some sense
On our tracks.its an absolute joke …. the aw is mostly low quality dross, so they dont mean anything in any event
Sectional times will be useful to a few punters , who can work out the real meaning of them ////the remaining 99 per cent of punters will still write down fav or what their fav jock is riding…or some tipsters selection …..
bollocks , its absolute bollocks
…And those of us that do understand sectional times (pace) are grateful most punters are like you Ricky. Because if too many do become interested it will not be as good an opportunity for profit.
Value Is Everything…And those of us that do understand sectional times (pace) are grateful most punters are like you Ricky. Because if too many do become interested it will not be as good an opportunity for profit.
As is often the case Gingertipster you completely miss the point and choose to ignore TBB excellent post.
"Most pundits talk the talk but haven’t a scooby"
The list so far Nick Luck
Lydia Hislop
Graham Cunningham
Oli Bell
Tom StanleyStill awaiting sectional time analysis from any of them, maybe they haven’t the time
Can you imagine having sectional timing at
Flos Las
after it has been raining, at one of the jumps fixtures I had the going allowance going off the scale at
-2.75s/f
(bottomless) you would need a calendar to work out the sectional times, a clock would be useless
On the subject of sectional timing, I purchased a second hand copy of
Handicapping Magic
by Michael Pizzola for
$100
, and it was money well spent…
I don’t know a lot about sectional timings but I want to learn. I reckon the explanation of their significance needs a slot of its own on C4 (I only have council TV) along the lines of Simon Rowlands’s blogs, which are very helpful.
Cunningham does mention them [sectionals] but doesn’t expand on their significance too much.
James Willoughby used to explain their value in his RP column but quit the job. I remember him once saying that a Stoute horse (Caribbean Monarch?) was many pounds better than his rating on account of sectionals he’d been working on. I couldn’t get the horse near the top of my ratings, nor could RPRs, but the beast bolted up next time in a valuable handicap.
Don’t dismiss sectionals just because you find them a nuisance. I’m trying to understand them and to get an edge from them but British racing is run for bookies by bookies so it will be a very slow process.
I don’t know a lot about sectional timings but I want to learn. I reckon the explanation of their significance needs a slot of its own on C4 (I only have council TV) along the lines of Simon Rowlands’s blogs, which are very helpful.
Cunningham does mention them [sectionals] but doesn’t expand on their significance too much.
James Willoughby used to explain their value in his RP column but quit the job. I remember him once saying that a Stoute horse (Caribbean Monarch?) was many pounds better than his rating on account of sectionals he’d been working on. I couldn’t get the horse near the top of my ratings, nor could RPRs, but the beast bolted up next time in a valuable handicap.
Don’t dismiss sectionals just because you find them a nuisance. I’m trying to understand them and to get an edge from them but British racing is run for bookies by bookies so it will be a very slow process.
Maurice, I think the following link is a good starting point. It explains the theory, admits the limitations due to lack of full data and the fact that horses are not machines. Not too long or too heavy, it claims that track differences in the UK can be adjusted for in calculations. I am not a sectionals man, I cut my teeth in a betting atmosphere where such data was not at hand and where you had to judge by eye. There is always a danger of over-analysing anything but more data can’t be a bad thing for those who believe in the numbers.
Worth a read and I hope it helps:-
http://www.learnbetwin.com/sectional-ti … -analysis/
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
…And those of us that do understand sectional times (pace) are grateful most punters are like you Ricky. Because if too many do become interested it will not be as good an opportunity for profit.
As is often the case Gingertipster you completely miss the point and choose to ignore TBB excellent post.
I did not "miss the point" Yeats, all I was doing is commenting on Ricky’s post and NO other. That does not mean I was "ignor(ing) TBB’s excellent post". Do I really need to comment on every post of a thread so as not to be accused of "ignor"ing it?
Value Is EverythingYou normally do……
Sectionals should be more out there, you should be able to click on the racecard, click on a horse, click on a previous race and be able to see the sectionals.
I only own 1 stopwatch, I’d need at least 16 of them to time a Ascot Gold Cup by myself……
Blackbeard to conquer the World
You normally do……
Sectionals should be more out there, you should be able to click on the racecard, click on a horse, click on a previous race and be able to see the sectionals.
I only own 1 stopwatch, I’d need at least 16 of them to time a Ascot Gold Cup by myself……
Nathan, simply take one sectional reading and then assume that all the others are the same i.e. Homo Sectionals
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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