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    All this talk about the public being too thick to understand how left wing policies would be good for them puts me in mind of Bertolt Brecht’s line: “would it not be be simpler if the government simply dissolved the people and elected another?”

    Or when American political prankster Dick Tuck once ran for election to the California State Senate. When asked for his reaction after losing he replied “The people have spoken, the bastards.”

    #1607495
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    The Mail really is a nasty thing. They way it treats people it doesn’t like is truly disgusting. Shame on those who buy it and therefore encourage it as well.

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    If we constantly see people in positions of power displaying stupidity and ignorance is it any surprise to see, at the bottom of the food chain, those who fail to comprehend that any tax breaks they get in their low-paid jobs will be more than taken away by the loss of access to free public services.

    If everyone understood that and acted on it, there would never be a Tory government.

    “Aspiration” is the key alternative factor cited by Tory apologists but I’ve never been convinced as I’ve never seen much in the way of aspiration in any deprived areas I’ve ever lived in.

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    ‘All this talk about the public being too thick to understand how left wing policies would be good for them puts me in mind of Bertolt Brecht’s line: “would it not be be simpler if the government simply dissolved the people and elected another?”’

    Over half of votes last time were for parties somewhere on the left so it seems the public does understand this. They are just denied a fair voting system.

    #1607500
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    There is no aspiration in poor areas and it is seemingly impossible under the tories

    Javid

    Javid was born on 5 December 1969 in Rochdale, Lancashire, one of five sons of Pakistani Punjabi immigrant parents.[2][3] His family were farmers from the village of Rajana near Toba Tek Singh, Punjab, from where they migrated to the UK in the 1960s.[4] His father worked as a bus driver.[5] His mother did not speak English until she had been in the UK for ten years.[6] His family moved from Lancashire to Stapleton Road, Bristol, as his parents took over a shop there, and the family lived in a two-bedroom flat above it.[7] Javid is able to hold a conversation in broken Punjabi.[8]

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    No opportunities in poor areas

    Ofsted rates 37 schools in Tower Hamlets ‘Outstanding’, 60 schools ‘Good’, and 3 schools ‘Requires Improvement’. No school in Tower Hamlets is rated ‘Inadequate’. 100 per cent of our primary schools rated by Ofsted are rated outstanding and good, compared to 81 per cent of our secondary schools.

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    True cork

    The left too often in their snobbish patronizing manner (and let’s not forget the Uncle Tom accusations of ethnic minority candidates on this thread) declare that they know what’s best for everyone, especially the oiks and the little man who comes to sweep the driveway

    And they wonder why the “working class” (which they still see as singing miners marching back from the pit to attend their Lenin’s poetry lessons) turn their backs on them

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    “There is no aspiration in poor areas and it is seemingly impossible under the tories”

    SUNAK

    Sunak was born on 12 May 1980 in Southampton[4][5] to Indian parents Yashvir and Usha Sunak.[6] He is the eldest of three siblings.[5] His father Yashvir was born and raised in the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya (present-day Kenya), while his mother Usha was born in Tanganyika (which later became part of Tanzania).[7] His grandparents were born in Punjab Province, British India, and migrated from East Africa with their children to the UK in the 1960s.[8] Yashvir was a general practitioner, and Usha was a pharmacist who ran a local pharmacy.[4][6][9]

    Sunak attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, Hampshire, and Winchester College, a boys’ independent boarding school, where he was head boy and the editor of the school paper.[10][11] He was a waiter at a curry house in Southampton during his summer holidays.[7][12] He read Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.[4][11] While he was still at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters.[10]

    In 2001, he was interviewed along with his parents for the BBC documentary Middle Classes: Their Rise and Sprawl,[13] during which he remarked,

    ‘I have friends who are aristocrats, I have friends who are upper class, I have friends who are working class… well, not working class”.[14] In 2006, he gained an MBA from Stanford University, where he was a Fulbright scholar’.[4][15][16]”

    Should he become the PM, it will no longer be “seemingly impossible under the tories”, but rather impossible…

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    You’d think, with all these marvellous education opportunities in Tower Hamlets (where I lived for 15 years as opposed to reading about it online) people would send their kids there instead of wasting money on private education.

    However, I digress.

    Truss absolutely has to pick up the lion’s share of the Braverman votes today and push Mordaunt into third place.

    I think Mordaunt will do well to hold her vote where it is.

    Not sure Tory MPs will take as much notice of the Mail’s hate campaign against her as Tory members might, but Mordaunt has hardly shone in the interviews so far.

    Sunak was definitely the most solid and I expect him to edge closer to the magic 120.

    Badenoch has won over the Tory members according to the polls, but I doubt she’s done enough on TV to get to be on their ballot paper.

    And Tungendhat’s having a laugh now – Mordaunt will be praying more of his supporters switch to her than to Sunak once he’s out.

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    Ofsted results are “just reading online”

    I think we should keep to the subject of ignorant sweeping statements about those at “the bottom of the food chain”

    Left wing posters on here have been repeatedly calling anyone who doesn’t share their worldview as “thick” and yet run a mile when confronted with actual facts

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    Mordaunt significantly weak in the betting ahead of today’s vote: 2.1 Sunak, 4.1 Mordaunt, 4.4 Truss, 18 Badenoch, 210 Tungendhat.

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    Tomorrow’s final tv debate is cancelled, as Sunak and Truss pull out, citing all the squabbling that’s been so visible last few days.

    Daily Mail’s done a 5-page hatchet job on Mordaunt…again. Unbelievable! As someone who norm votes Tory (never been a member) this stuff puts me off. If there was a GE tomorrow, for 1st time in my life, i’d prob not bother to vote at all.

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    Sunak and Truss pull out of the third TV debate and so it’s cancelled. :whistle:

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    A fascinating development – I felt there were no clear winners and they were much of a muchness last night, an impression, if widely shared by others, that wouldn’t suit two of the front runners.

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    Must be because they are “thick” and have “no aspiration”

    #1607516
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    Not sure why Sky cancelled the programme.

    True, there would only be the one candidate left (assuming that the field has been whittled down to three by then) but they could have spent the entire hour slagging off the spineless no-shows.

    And what if, unlikely though it is, Sunak and Truss are the two eliminated today and tomorrow?

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    Today I’d like to see the Braverman votes switch to Badenoch and then in the next round tomorrow the Truss votes to switch likewise: unlikely I guess

    Badenoch may well be verging on the ‘hard right’ but she’s calm, collected, articulate and has a most euphonious voice: everything that Truss isn’t

    This speech in the Commons was impressive, whether one agrees with it or not:

    Sunak and Badenoch to vie for the members’ votes and Badenoch to win would be my preferred outcome: purely from an interest point of view, posing as a disinterested apolitical observer. Starmer and Labour would find her formidable, I think

    As an interested centrist, keen to see the end of this so tired and fifth-rate government then I would, of course, prefer Sunak, and ideally Truss who would very much be the Labour Party’s ‘useful idiot’

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