New Member – Beyer Question

[HorseWithNoName]

Hi there,

I wanted to ask if anyone knew how to convert the Beyer Speed Ratings into BHB ratings?

Regards

[robert99]

Trying to equate USA speed ratings with UK weight ratings is a bit of a nonsense. We would not mix UK speed ratings and UK weight ratings. However, in their ignorance, there are some USA punters who make some crude comparisons.

RPR is Racing Post which is up to 5 pounds / points lower than Timeform. The highest rated horses giving the most difference.
RPR ratings are fairly close on average to BHB ratings

BRIS and TSN are alternative sources of USA style speed figures.

For what they are worth some figure from Paceform

RPR Beyer BRIS TSN
50 62 79 73
51 63 79 73
52 63 80 74
53 64 80 74
54 65 81 75
55 66 81 75
56 66 82 76
57 67 82 76
58 68 82 76
59 68 83 77
60 69 83 77
61 70 84 78
62 70 84 78
63 71 85 79
64 72 85 79
65 73 85 79
66 73 86 80
67 74 86 80
68 75 87 81
69 75 87 81
70 76 88 82
71 77 88 82
72 77 88 82
73 78 89 83
74 79 89 83
75 80 90 84
76 80 90 84
77 81 91 85
78 82 91 85
79 82 91 85
80 83 92 86
81 84 92 86
82 84 93 87
83 85 93 87
84 86 94 88
85 87 94 88
86 87 94 88
87 88 95 89
88 89 95 89
89 89 96 90
90 90 96 90
91 91 97 91
92 91 97 91
93 92 97 91
94 93 98 92
95 94 98 92
96 94 99 93
97 95 99 93
98 96 100 94
99 96 100 94
100 97 100 94
101 98 101 95
102 98 101 95
103 99 102 96
104 100 102 96
105 101 103 97
106 101 103 97
107 102 103 97
108 103 104 98
109 103 104 98
110 104 105 99
111 105 105 99
112 105 106 100
113 106 106 100
114 107 106 100
115 108 107 101
116 108 107 101
117 109 108 102
118 110 108 102
119 110 109 103
120 111 109 103
121 112 109 103
122 112 110 104
123 113 110 104
124 114 111 105
125 115 111 105
126 115 112 106
127 116 112 106
128 117 112 106
129 117 113 107
130 118 113 107
131 119 114 108
132 119 114 108
133 120 115 109
134 121 115 109
135 122 115 109
136 122 116 110
137 123 116 110
138 124 117 111
139 124 117 111
140 125 118 112

PaceFigures

[Miss Woodford]

Trying to equate UK weight ratings with actual weights doesn’t work too well either! Not even Arkle could’ve ran well while actually carrying 212 lbs, and no handicapper would’ve made him carry that weight. I truly doubt Frankel could win a handicap actually carrying 147 lbs. They really are just subjective numbers.

I can’t recall ever seeing BRIS or TSN in past performances before – the only ones bettors usually use are BSFs (Daily Racing Form), Equibase Speed Figures ("Daily Racing Program") and sometimes Ragozin numbers/"the sheets" if they’re true racetrack degenerates.

[Professortrubshawe]

Don’t bother; you’ll end up in the nuthouse, trust me. This game will lead you to the poorhouse and nuthouse. Try to enjoy the journey not make it hard work. That’s the message of this group generally. Me, I’ve taken up painting.

[HorseWithNoName]

Thank you for the kind replies.

I have in fact worked out a rationale but logical formulation to convert Beyer’s in line with BHB ratings across a spectrum of distances through a lot of further research and data analysis which looks to be proving fruitful inrelation to performance related results although no monetary investment has been laid in this pilot phase.

I’ll keep you informed.

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