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Just to annoy Firefox the following statement has just been issued.
The Stewards interviewed New Approach’e trainer Jim Bolger and jockey Kevin Manning and asked them their intentions for tomorrows Derby.
The stewards issued the following notice:
“Mr Bolger requested that New Approach would be placed last in the parade and be led by a pony from there to the start. He assured teh Stewards that he would not delay the start and that New Approach would hack behind the other runners, led by the pony.”
“Manning confirmed that he would ensure he would arrive at the start at the same time as the other runners. The Stewards accepted Mr Bolger’s request and his undertaking, and told them both that it would not be acceptable to delay the race.”[/color:3q1kv5ek]
God you are just a little bit of a dope (takes a lot to say that).
I actually backed New Approach at 15/2 earlier in the week; I think he is a 3-4/1 shot myself, so that’s not my issue.
Bolger is a disgrace, an arrogant man. The Derby is not just any race; if you can’t understand that, you don’t understand horse racing. Part of the Derby is withstanding the fanfare of the occasion, of which the parade is an integral part. Now, presuming NA takes part in the parade (if not, he should be disqualified for reasons stated above), are the other 16 horses meant to wait at behind the stalls, sweating up, just to allow New Approach to have his own way?
I think you may have lost your mind..
Should Motivator have been disqualified then for missing the parade in 05?
JohnJ.
What is the punishment for missing the parade anyway? Other than disqualification, there is very little sanction that can be imposed. Maybe forfeit the prize-money?
What is the punishment for missing the parade anyway? Other than disqualification, there is very little sanction that can be imposed. Maybe forfeit the prize-money?
It is a fine, off the top of my head around £1,500 which in the scheme of things is not much.
Yes
Surely racing would be the loser because of pomp and ceremony.
JohnJ
No, not exactly. It would mean horses have to endure the parade if they wish to race. As you know, the Derby is unique and tests may facets of a horse, from ability, balance, stamina all the way down to temperament.
Yes
Surely racing would be the loser because of pomp and ceremony.
JohnJ
No, not exactly. It would mean horses have to endure the parade if they wish to race. As you know, the Derby is unique and tests may facets of a horse, from ability, balance, stamina all the way down to temperament.
I actually think thats rubbish, they are bred to race, not pose in front of stands. What next, do a talent trick in front of Piers, Amanda and Simon?
JohnJ.
If the entry system ’caused this fiasco’, John, then why is it only Jim Bolger that has had such difficulties?
The answer, I’m sad to say, is that he’s simply an arrogant and ignorant a*sehole, and if that is what offends your sense of Irishness, which clearly doesn’t allow you to appraise this situation objectively (Lydia Hislop was perfectly justified in what she said, as certain goings-on in racing are always considered to reflect badly on the associated country), then maybe Colin has a point.
If the entry system ’caused this fiasco’, John, then why is it only Jim Bolger that has had such difficulties?
The answer, I’m sad to say, is that he’s simply an arrogant and ignorant a*sehole, and if that is what offends your sense of Irishness, which clearly doesn’t allow you to appraise this situation objectively (Lydia Hislop was perfectly justified in what she said, as certain goings-on in racing are always considered to reflect badly on the associated country), then maybe Colin has a point.
It was Weld who had the entry difficulties not Bolger, and whether Jim Bolger is arrogant ignorant is not my point LGR, I have said his desicion is bizzare to keep NA in the Derby. Why bring up his nationality in the article in the first place? Her article is lazy and quite shite IMO.
JohnJ.
I agree. That would remove the self righteous smirk hiding beneath the surface.
This is just bitterness…
No one complained when New Approach was ponied down to the start when punters loaded on the horse for the Dewhurst.
Few complained or had any objections before the Guineas and there was no trouble in any of the Irish races when he was ponied down including the Irish Guineas.
He was slow going down for ONE SINGLE race. Yes he should not delay the start, but I suspect he will not. It is in the BHA rule book that you can be ponied down to the start if you want, George Washington was ponied on some occasions.
People are perfectly entitled to want the race to start on time, but this is turning out to be a thread based on dislike of Bolger rather than what is actually best (and allowed) for the race.
Aidan, the title of the thread is Bolger – New Approach!
The dislike of Bolger is surely due to his behaviour leading up to The Derby.
Colin
If Bolgers behaviour is not a reflection on Irish racing and just bolger, then I take it that his glory moments are similarly just a reflection on Bolger and not irish racing. Cant have it both ways
What baffles me about him is that he hasnt even shown one bit of understanding towards punters in his comments. Even if he didnt really mean it, just a word wouldnt have killed, would it?
Seems almost perverse really…
As for the ponying, im not bothered myself
As has been said the Derby is so much more, historically, than the race itself, and any horse who has pretensions of winning it must be able to cope with the entire event – parade and all.
If New Approach goes down early he has far more time to settle at the start following a far less strenuous trip to post, and if he is allowed to trot down with his pony following the parade (as is apparently planned) then the rest of the field are left milling about, twiddling their thumbs, having made the effort to get where they need to be on time.
The fact is that once the parade is over and the horses are on their way to post, Jim Bolger can do what he wants with New Approach. If it takes him 20 minutes to arrive at the start and the race goes off late, what can anybody do? Obviously I don’t want to condemn a man before the event, but he’s shown enough arrogance to make me believe it’s entirely possible.
Still, if the horse gets mullered the way Lush Lashes did then I’ll be happy.
Whether they bend over backwards to help New Approach in the prelims, being a prominent runner and I suspect Coolmore will not let him have an easy time. Nothing against the rules, just race riding etc.
Mark
Value Is Everythingi’m expecting shenanigans at the start and possibly a delayed start caused maybe even deliberately that nobody will be able to do anything about save for have a hearing afterwards about
then again, the way that most races seem to be delayed these days, if not by a few minutes then by more than 5 minutes, maybe it is all a fuss over nothing
nobody expects race to go off on time these days, do they ?
River Proud is known to behave poorly at the start. Has hit head on stalls, blanketed for stalls entry, hard to get in, gets upset in stalls, damaged stalls.
So you can not blame Cole for wanting no hold up at the start. Now a non-runner so it matters not now.When every other runner has to go through the parade etc. running the risk of losing the race there. So should New Approach.
If every other runner has to get to post on time, so should New Approach.
Mark
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