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For the consolation race you could have it so that only horses who were entered for the race could take part so no new entried could be made.
I would race it after the National or maybe at the May evening meeting
The consolation race is a fine idea, but if it is given that many (all?) runners in the National line-up will have been trained to the minute with the big one in mind, I don’t think having the race run as late as the May meeting would be wise. Later the same day seems the better option to me.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Later the same day seems the better option to me.
Doubt the fence repairers would agree with you
Although understandable through horses being balloted out etc think reserves is one of the worst aspects of Irish racing and would never like to see it to any extent over here.
Incidentally does anyone know the cut off time and procedure for reserves in Ireland? Despite their extensive use, it being an important factor and ATR covering all the meetings I’ve yet to hear what it is by anyone on ATR.Doubt the fence repairers would agree with you
Heh-heh, there is that, I suppose!
I know they used to have the Topham and the Foxkillers on the same day and managed to repair the fences in good time, and there are only as many fences on the course now as then; but then again potentially two lots of 40 runners pounding over them, and over longer distances than either of these races, would constitute a greater strain on fence and ground maintenance.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
It can be done if the will is there – my horse Salute was a reserve for the Shergar Cup at Ascot last year. He had to be taken to the track and be ready to step in at any point up to 45 minutes before the off of the race.
There were two reserves on site for each race and as owner, I was paid £500 appearance money. Salute left the track as soon as the deadline had passed and ran quite happily as Nottingham three days later. I’d have liked the chance to run for £35,000 at Ascot, but I felt the compensation was more than adequate. I would have thought the Aintree budget could stretch to £1000 for each of four or five reserves to be on hand.
Bookmakers seemed to handle that meeting without any problems and there are also reserves for all the race in Dubai that don’t seem to bother anyone.
AP
Yeats
The cut off time for reserves in Ireland is an hour before the first and the stewards can use their disgression for a further 15minsIt seems clear from reading the posts on here that Aintree can come up with a better, more flexible & fairer system.
It can be done if the will is there – my horse Salute was a reserve for the Shergar Cup at Ascot last year. He had to be taken to the track and be ready to step in at any point up to 45 minutes before the off of the race.
There were two reserves on site for each race and as owner, I was paid £500 appearance money. Salute left the track as soon as the deadline had passed and ran quite happily as Nottingham three days later. I’d have liked the chance to run for £35,000 at Ascot, but I felt the compensation was more than adequate. I would have thought the Aintree budget could stretch to £1000 for each of four or five reserves to be on hand.
Bookmakers seemed to handle that meeting without any problems and there are also reserves for all the race in Dubai that don’t seem to bother anyone.
AP
What happens Alan, when horse 41 would be 5/1 fav if running and 42 6/1 second fav if running. How can bookies make a book prior to the 40 runners being known, without working to a higher overound figure (with less value for the punter)?
Ginge
Value Is EverythingGinge,
Racing should deal with racing’s problems.
Bookmakers should deal with their own problems.
Presumably the theoretical problem you pose could already exist for the 24 hrs between the declarations on Thursday and the deadline for reserves on Friday morning. If it can be handled then, it can be handled for a longer period.
AP
Is it really an issue, are there lots of horses being denied a run? 7 out of the last 8 runnings have had 40 runners, the other 39. Previous to that only 32 and 37 lined up when the maximum wasn’t even reached.
The system is fine as it is imo.No horse should be denied a run by a horse being withdrawn after 9.30am on the Friday morning. Could you imagine if Philson Run, placed last year, is number 41 and misses out when one or more horses don’t like the change of going?
Just because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen. A bit like the starting tape that was OK for many years until 1993.
High Ken,
Where should the cut off point be then?Appologies if you have said before, may be I have missed it.
The morning papers would have to know who the final 40 are.
Ginge
Value Is EverythingGingertipster
Ideally as near to the race as possible. With the race getting further & further away from the reserve cut off time (nearly 31 hours!!) I would prefer the cut off time to be either 10pm before the night of the race before the papers go to final print or before 9am on the Saturday morning when most major bookies would open their doors to the once a year punters.
If the papers could cope with Red Rum’s very late withdrawal in 1978, I can’t see in this technological age that we can’t do it now.
Well said AP – you took the words out of my mouth on Shergar Cup and Dubai. I helped bring in the reserve rule in Shergar Cup and it works well. Admittedly we don’t have such a strong betting market and the whole point is to make sure that all the jockeys get a ride in each race.
Why not try a compromise between the current system and the Shergar/Irish system which is probably too late for the National.
I’d favour a cut off point of around 9am on the morning of the race (similar to Dubai) which would mean after the trainers have checked their charges in the morning and any rainfall could be assessed. This would mean that it could get announced as soon as the betting shops opened up and the internet sites and exchanges would have to work out rule 4s etc. It would have to be something else to factor in to the morning odds but it can be done.
We could run more than 2 Nationals this week. I really hope all 40 declared turn up on Saturday as some connections are going to be slightly miffed if some certain owners/trainers swamp the field with their horses and don’t run for whatever reason.
The reserve system has just been put into use as Opera Mundi was withdrawn at around 8:15 this morning and Ardaghey will take his place.
Ardaghey is obviously now a non runner in the 4:55 today.
AP
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