June 1, 2003 at 15:46 #3951
Sunday should be a day of relaxation so why did Corals refuse this little bet?<br>Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£100 e/w double<br>Mr Mc Duff 3-10 Worcester<br>Buzz Buzz 3.20 Pontefract<br>they treated me worse than a robber they phoned up and wanted a desciption then refused to take any of the bet luckily Fred Dones were happy to take it with no questions asked. What does someone have to do to have a decent bet???????June 1, 2003 at 17:06 #91040
Shocking Seagull …..
If they’re not prepared to lose then they shouldn’t be in the game ! ;) <br>June 1, 2003 at 18:35 #91041berminnMember
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Id say you clean up on the place markets on Betfair!!
What wouyld the return be on such a bet please?June 1, 2003 at 19:26 #91043Sleeping BeautyMember
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Terrible. E-mail them for an explanation and let us know how you got on. firstname.lastname@example.org should do it.June 1, 2003 at 19:59 #91045
The 7.25 at Windsor looks an excellent E/W race on Monday. ;)June 1, 2003 at 21:14 #91046jasonrMember
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coral on line refused a Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£100 win bet on a 4/1 shot in a 16+ runner handicap from me today, I couldn’t believe it! I did take them for alot on Saturday though;)June 2, 2003 at 03:21 #91047Slippy BlueMember
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I’ve got a great little wheeze going with Corals at the moment.<br>PM me for further details.<br>It’s a hoot.June 2, 2003 at 05:58 #91048
Sleeping Beauty,<br>I have had Coral a/cs closed in the past. I only use that shop now and again as it is near one of my local pubs.
Berminn,<br>I often lay that type of bet to be placed on betfair but cannot double it up
Ian,<br>I unerstand you points about getting banned and while it can be a compliment in a way it is also a pain I have in the past had large bets running up on betfair it just takes time and you need to be on the p/c a few minutes before the race yesterday I wanted to meet some mates down the pub. <br>Looking for a horse such as those two yesterday just to get a place is always overall a good bet there is every chance of a faller in the nat hunt or of a first time out odds on runner racing green exactly what happened yesterday. I know someone who had some of his mortgage granted (by bradford and bingley) on the strength of his betting accounts mainly from e/w/ doubles in 8-10 runner races.<br>The corals shop in question has the people with wap phones winning on the fixed odds machine a lot (another scam) but they still refused what in effect is a decent honest bet. <br>Betfair down at the moment by the way for servicing the computer.<br>June 2, 2003 at 06:09 #91049
Berminn,<br>the details where<br>8 runner race <br>1st brother joe 8/13<br>2nd just murphy 9/4<br>3rd mr mcduff 14/1<br>25/1 bar the 3 above
2nd race<br>10 runner race<br>buzz buzz 2nd 8/1<br>fav 4/5 3rd<br>100 e/w double though i expected the win part to lose!
rgdsJune 2, 2003 at 10:10 #91050roryParticipant
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I’m always surprised by the reaction to punters to getting knocked back on bad each way races ~ they are a known anomaly. Backing a place double in races with a dead eight runners and four or five total rags is the archetypal licence to print money ~ anyone who reckons a decent bookie should leave themselves open to unlimited liabilities is living in cloud cuckoo land. If you must have the bet, go to half a dozen shops and place smaller stakes bets, or as James says, just find a mug like Fred Done!
I did once try to be clever and have a hundrerd quid each way double with Coral at Carlisle the day Lennie Lungo unleashed Skippers Cleuch and The Bajan Bandit on their novice campaigns, expecting to be restricted to half my stake. They told me to #@*! off. Served me right!June 2, 2003 at 12:36 #91051
To clarify my position on this I certainly do not believe that the punter has a divine right to win and I can understand why betting shops do not want to take bad E/W bets. These bets are well within the permitted rules though and if the shops don’t want to take them they should be honest enough to state ‘No E/W this race’ or ‘Win only this race’ just like the on-course books. If they are not prepared to do this then I really do believe that people shouldn’t get knocked back for simply asking for a very shrewd bet. I would also like to say that I agree it isn’t exactly a clever type of bet but it can certainly be profitable.<br>June 2, 2003 at 20:56 #91052The GuvnorMember
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As a Bookie, we are notified in the morning what are the carefull E/W races and tricast races with the limits we will exept on each race those races normally have an odds on shot and have only 5-8 runners where the chance of a return are greater and i think it`s about 50% of odds on shots lose!
Go through the races most days and without even looking at the form you can pick E/W doubles or Yankees that will if succesfull have you marked as a carefull E/W customer with limited Stakes if your bookie spots your type of bet and the races you look for.
The GuvnorJune 3, 2003 at 04:29 #91053MountyMember
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I can imagine the shops changing their e/w terms in the near future. Perhaps reducing the place terms in certain races or by simply refusing e/w bets where the favourite is odds-on. At present the "rats" in these snide e/w races get knocked out on Betfair, on-course bookies (betting win only) follow suit and the shrewdies mop up with e/w singles, doubles and trebles off course.
I used to think e/w betting was for mugs but since I’ve worked on-course I’ve changed my mind. Enjoy it while it lasts.June 3, 2003 at 05:12 #91054
The darkknight,<br>Bookmakers cannot have it all their way all of the time. <br>I went to Wincanton a while back and a 10 runner race and all went win only no e/w bets. <br>Whilst it may not be the type of bet that interests you I can assure you it is very profitable overall. I do not claim to be clever but surely something that does make a steady profit is something punters should be interested in rather than get involved in some bookmaker sponsored 26 runner handicap. As far as I am concerned the prices on the screen were an offer from the bookmaker to have a bet (dont forget the in built margins were already in place in the bookmakers favour). If know someone who just backs horses with the name Pippa in and there is no doubt he will never have a bet refused its all about making some money in the end and my e/w doubles will never make much inpact on the millions that Coral’s make per year. I do try and have these bets in cash in various shops as it’s not the type of bet to keep having on accounts because overall you will win and accounts do get closed. What does suprise me is how few actually have these bets!June 5, 2003 at 10:39 #91055Burlington BertieMember
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Bertie’s a bit puzzled about the disdain that’s been expressed about punters who specialise in Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â each-way doubles on what are deemed to be place certainties and, laughably, the sympathy expressed from TRF members of some standing towards bookmakers who are prepared to accept them.
Thought I’d resurrect this subject again as Ladbrokes’ Balthazar Fabricus (is this guy real?) has ‘reported’ a Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£10,000 each way Oaks/Derby double on Hi Dubai and Alamshar at 7/2 and 4-1 respectively.
Assuming the Magic Sign are going 1-4 the odds a place, would the TRF panel of experts agree that this is a brave bet or would they contemptuously dismiss the punter as just an another EW ‘thief’.
Answers before 4.05 tomorrow please as Hindsight is wonderful but unfortunately is not running in either the Oaks nor the Derby!
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