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  • #20043
    Anonymous
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    The All-Party Racing Group (House of Commons) has called a meeting for next Tuesday, and will require BHA, PJA et. al. to attend. This is a public humiliation for BHA.

    Owner David Johnson has added his call for the new rule to be withdrawn. Jamie Stier does not sound too happy about any of this…

    http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra … 38305/top/

    #374403
    Eclipse First
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    Seems like the bookmakers have finally broken cover.

    #374407
    Anonymous
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    EF

    , this Parliamentary Group has a brief which includes the Bloodstock Industry rather than the bookmakers. Pressure has more likely come from the Breeders and Horsemen, but the members of the Group themselves are largely racing men and women and may well have decided to step in for themselves

    pro bono publico

    .

    This public meeting is certainly

    not

    what Jamie Stier and BHA wanted, whoever has been pressing for it.

    #374409
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    I hope the jockeys aren’t relying on Kevin Darley, they need to take this opportunity with some expertise.

    #374410
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    I hope the jockeys aren’t relying on Kevin Darley, they need to take this opportunity with some expertise.

    Unfortunately, he’s the man they’ve invited. I agree that Darley has shown himself to be very far from the experienced and tough negotiator that Racing needs to rescue this parlous situation.

    A pity that

    Ruby Walsh

    is non a UK national. Anyone who doesn’t understand why the jockeys feel the way they do, or who can’t grasp why the stroke count is impossible, could do worse than listen to his highly articulate and modest interview yesterday with

    Nick Luck

    :

    http://www.racinguk.com/video/watch/rub … d-26th-oct

    #374416
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    This is not a select committee of the House of Commons and cannot summon anyone. It is one of many backbench, cross-party interest groups and can of course invite anyone it would like to meet it. The members are interested in racing because it is a self-join interest group.

    If the whip issue was considered by a select committee it would probably be by the Culture, Media and Sports Committee (racing) or the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee (animal welfare).

    #374420
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    What I can’t understand is why the BHA, who have the power, did not suspend these rules until things can be ironed out.

    It’s not like we never had rules in place before the you know what hit the fan that we could have gone back to.

    What’s most annoying is everyone knows these new rules are going in the bin and there is absolutely no chance of them staying in place. None Ziltch Zero!!!!!!! So all this bad publicity could have been avoided with the stroke of a pen.

    No doubt they have some red tape reason for not doing so, or no one within the organisation has the balls to take the bull by the horn.

    I can’t remember a worse time in racing. It is completely off putting, annoying and I’m sick of reading about it.

    The chances that this episode will attract newcomers into racing are now non existent but there’s a good chance more than a few will seek their sporting entertainment elsewhere.

    #374422
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    I hope the jockeys aren’t relying on Kevin Darley, they need to take this opportunity with some expertise.

    DENNY CRANE!!!! ? :lol:

    #374426
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    No doubt they have some red tape reason for not doing so, or no one within the organisation has the balls to take the bull by the horn.

    Possibly frightened of upsetting the RSPCA.

    Doubt if they are able to do away with numbers. But even if they are, jockeys will have to change their attitude anyway. To keep the RSPCA in line the "time to respond" rule would need to be strengthened and bans massively increased. To stop jockeys taking no notice in valuable races.

    Value Is Everything
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    If the government really want to do something to help racing sort out its major problems they should focus on the Levy mess.

    #374439
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    Oh Dear ….the whip is doing for racing what it needs like a bad toothache , its good news imo

    Corm you will have to watch these silly cushion whip rules get altered real soon , you and Ginger can enter a darkened room for a week :D

    The Levy is in a box called too difficult , dont worry the Gov will give that a big swerve ….besides it’s Paul Bittar’s problem

    cheers

    Ricky

    #374440
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    GeorgeJ is quite correct and this group can invite but not summons appearances.
    I think that it would be best for all to attend but that the meeting should be held in camera to remove the opportunity for posturising etc., and to allow all parties to concentrate on the issues at hand.

    #374441
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    Coggy

    These "hobby" groups normally meet in private – they aren’t serviced by the Commons (it would be an inappropriate use of public money). They are really best thought of as the equivalent of a local philatelic or football club, their only claim to greater significance being that the members are all MPs or peers.

    #374444
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    Indeed GeorgeJ.
    Anyone that thinks that this group can legislate over this issue is simply delusional.

    #374447
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    Anything that gets the groups together is a good thing.

    Value Is Everything
    #374487
    Meshaheer
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    Nothing to fear from APPG meetings. I’ve attended a fair few of them. While they are held in the Commons, often in Committee rooms or Portcullis House, they are untelevised and often informal affairs and usually provide an outlet for debate and discussion, although it is likely animal rights lobby groups will get a whiff of this and try to cause some antagonism.

    MPs in the group like Laurence Robertson, Matt Hancock, Mark Pritchard and Philip Davies will give racing a fair hearing. Full list of members here: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p … stries.htm

    But it’s silly it’s come to this – as people say, the Levy issue is of more importance for racing as a whole.

    #374524
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    Indeed GeorgeJ.
    Anyone that thinks that this group can legislate over this issue is simply delusional.

    I can’t see that legislation is an issue, just an outside party in a position to bang heads together and get everyone moving in the same direction.

    Rob

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