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    Neil Watson
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    Okay so the price was bigger than Gary Wiltshire but hats off to a grand training performance of this lovely horse.

    I remember seeing him at Worcester one day in a 2m4f handicap when he was 2nd behind Major Euro as a 5yo and thought he would improve when going up in trip.

    Hard to believe that the Uttoxeter meeting i went to the day after Cheltenham would produce 2 winners for Aintree and considering the fact that MM was tailed right off you would not have given him a chance in hell of winning.

    A great piece of training from Venetia who has had a wonderful season and deserves her place in Aintree folklore as only the Second lady to train a Grand National winner and Liam Treadwell for giving him a peach of a ride to land the spoils.

    This is a great day for racing and for women trainers to have 4 from 7 on Grand National day.

    Horse Racing………Bloody hell!!!

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    I’m gonna have to start snooping round her stable I think :roll:

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    I’ve just re watched the race properly; horse and jockey were absolute perfection today..always in the right place, saved lengths at the canal turn, sidestepped fallen horses as if they weren’t there …a joy to watch. This is for Nil Desperandum, who must have been looking down on them today.

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    Well done to Liam Treadwell, who got quite a bit of (imo) wrong critisism for his ride on Ping Pong at Cheltenham.

    Venetia is one of the best trainers in the country. Trains her horses more like Martin Pipe than even David Pipe. Does so well placing her horses.

    Mark

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    Well done to Liam Treadwell, who got quite a bit of (imo) wrong critisism for his ride on Ping Pong at Cheltenham.

    Well said that man.

    gc

    Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.

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    I’ve long believed Venetia Williams to be one of the most under-rated trainers on the NH scene. She has no equal in placing her horses to win and I find it very profitable following her. I didn’t back Mon Mome today but Kayf Aramis obliged very nicely at Cheltenham.

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    BeauRanger
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    Well done – have followed the horse previously and backed it seasons before – had given up on this one for the top staying chases :oops: A proper staying chaser and a very underated trainer. Good to see such a competetive finish as half a mile from home I couldnt pick the winner – was up and down like a jack in the box :D

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    I’ve long believed Venetia Williams to be one of the most under-rated trainers on the NH scene

    Too true. And the stable is usually dynamite during Jan/Feb

    Key to a great trainer is how well they maximise the opportunities for their horses and how long they keep the animals interested.

    Shes one of the very best on both counts

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    I’ve long believed Venetia Williams to be one of the most under-rated trainers on the NH scene. She has no equal in placing her horses to win and I find it very profitable following her. I didn’t back Mon Mome today but Kayf Aramis obliged very nicely at Cheltenham.

    I don’t see her as being that under-rated. I think most people would have her in the top ten and many in the top six. It will be interesting if she gets sent a different type of horse now. Up to now she hasn’t really had the expensive pointers or store horses – most have been in the 20,000-30,000 bracket which although expensive for many stables would not compete with the likes of Nicholls, Johnson and O’Neill.

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    I’ve just read the write up in The Observer, and there is a wonderful quote from Venetia..she told Liam to remember that ‘a light in front of you is gold dust, meaning, you have to see the fences’, and watching the way he rode the horse it was as if he was following that light…it went on to say…’Treadwell clearly understood what she meant…..Gold dust indeed’ Priceless….

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    I am supposed to be the one who studies the form and all that and my bets for the race yesterday were Rambling Minster as the main bet, with some small bets on My Will and State Of Play with Kilbeggan Blade as my outsider.

    My Father-In-Law, as I keep jokingly telling him, is a mug punter.

    Yesterday he backed Mon Mome.

    Who is the mug now?

    His system?

    He backs Venetia Williams blind.

    Oh well!!!

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    ATR showed Mon Mome being paraded at Hereford today – he looked fantastic!!!

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    Avatar photoPeter Poston’s Ghost
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    As well as Nil Desperandum, I hope that The Outback Way will approve of this year’s race.

    For those who don’t remember him he won what is now the "Paddy Power" for Venetia in 1999 and in 2001 ran in the Topham but was brought down at one of the enclosed line of fences on the run down to Bechers.
    The riderless horse continued but did not want to jump the fences and was looking for a way out but could find none so was obliged to jump a fence from a standing start and didn’t make it injuring himself so severely that he was killed in the race.
    Now (finally) there is a "run out" for loose horses and while this creates some problems of it’s own it has to be on balance a good thing.

    Back to Venetia and Liam, I’m really happy for them both.
    She has run a successful yard but has fallen just short of the really big prizes until now.
    Teeton MiIl looked capable of winning championsip races before going wrong and she’s not really had one as good since.

    I was at Aintree on the Thursday and had a fiver each-way on Lord Jay Jay (on which they combined) who ran a great race to finish second.

    I was listening in to the conversation between the two after the race and Liam was absolutely thrilled to have ridden in such an exciting race and he very humbly thanked the owner for letting him ride the horse.
    Such modesty and good manners is rare these days :)

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    Excellent post, PPG – and yes, those run-out areas certainly seemed to do the job for which they were intended very nicely indeed.

    Having them on the outside of the course isn’t without its drawbacks, as potentially frightened, lit-up loose horses may still be a bit too close to the baying crowds for their own comfort, but sooner that, I think, than letting them run loose over the infield of the National course instead at risk to themselves and others.

    gc

    Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.

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    She has run a successful yard but has fallen just short of the really big prizes until now.
    Teeton MiIl looked capable of winning championsip races before going wrong and she’s not really had one as good since.

    Listening to her being interviewed Venetia Williams has never struck me a trainer with a huge amount of ambition. Which is fair enough, but don’t expect self made seriously wealthy businessmen owners to be filling your yard, which seems to be a prerequisite for sustained success at the top level in the jumps game these days.

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    Cav,

    She does have Trevor Hemmings (definitely seriously wealthy) and Paul Beck (would definitely like to to be thought of as seriously wealthy) amongst her current owners, and Robert Ogden has had horses with her in recent years.

    I suspect (but don’t know for sure) that she takes a similar approach to her best friends Philip and Sarah Hobbs, and limits the number of horses from any one owner, so that she isn’t financially dependent on the whims of one person.

    This seems an eminently sensible approach to training when you compare it with the fate of R Guest, T Pitt, D Pipe etc etc.

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    I think that’s true, Alan. The only slight contradiction is that in the case of Paul Beck, she accepted either 17 or 19 of his horses all in one go (I can’t remember which figure, but basically all bar the couple that went to Suzy Smith instead) when he moved them out of Richard Guest’s yard in December 2005.

    The limit

    appears

    to have been set reasonably high in that instance; though it’s also worth noting quite a few of the dregs were quickly offloaded after showing no more for her than they did Guest (the likes of Go Pete and Shem Dylan), and others like Teme Valley and Tiger Talk were either retired or sold into the pointing arena pretty quickly.

    gc

    Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.

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