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Found the quote.
"I hate getting beat anywhere and it’s a long way from home and I did it twice – so next time I go I want to be winning so it’s certainly something I’ve got to do – it’s on the bucket list," he said.
"I thought she’d be ideally suited to the Golden Jubilee, 1200 metres up the hill at Ascot, but I spoke to (Royal Ascot representative) Nick Smith last Saturday and he indicated she’d be a lovely Queen Anne horse – which is the race Haradasun won.
"But that is a mile (1600m) up that hill and I think the 1200 up the hill might be nice for her.
"But there are a lot of options here and our racing’s probably better and our prizemoney is better than most parts of the world so there’s just as many good options at home to seriously consider.
"We’ve counted up 14 Group One races for her between 1200 and 1600 metres, set-weights and penalties, handicaps, weight-for-age or fillies and mares between now and the first week of July, so there’s a lot of options and the first two are here at her home track, at 1400 (metres) and a mile that look ideal trips."
Presumably the bucket list is the list of things one should do before one kicks the bucket.
In the Racing Post edit of the quote, the bit about 14 G1s at home is left out.
Well, at least it looks as if I’ve called that one right, so far.
Regarding Typhoon Tracy’s future plans, which could include the Hong Kong Mile, Moody added: "The owners are open minded but it would be a tall order to take her away. Staying home would be favourite."
Had my heart in my mouth when it looked like Sirmione could win, seeing as I’d said he had none.
His run was enormous though, he’s never done anything like that first up or over 7f before though.
Watch him when he gets to his favourite track and distance, probably in the Australian Cup (which he won in 2008 by 5L).
Also from yesterday, the Blue Diamond Stakes for 2yos became a lot clearer after dominant wins by first starter Psychologist (another Choisir filly) and expensive colt Beneteau (Redoute’s Choice colt).
7/2 Beneteau seems a fair enough price.
Well, 6f next weekend, for the William Reid
Nicconi v Black Caviar
Someone created a thread a couple of days ago, about letting money ride on good horses such as Zenyatta for a season, and seeing what happens. Well, this would involve me letting £245 ride on Nicconi.
Not sure I’ve got the stomach for it – it would be my biggest bet ever. edit: In addition to which, it ain’t 5 furlongs.edit: The 3yo beginning with S who was 2nd or 3rd in the Lightning might be interesting for this.
Entries close at Noon Monday, which would be 1am, Monday, here, sometime during the Super Bowl?
Manhattan Rain will be returning in Sydney over 1200m next weekend as well.
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"Nicconi, a 4-1 chance, was Hayes’s only runner in the Aus$500,000 (£275,000) after Irish Lights’ owner Coolmore ordered the scratching of the filly to avoid a clash with Lightning rival Starspangledbanner, who is trained by Leon Corstens."
I think you’ll find that quote wasn’t 100% truthful. The filly was badly drawn at Flemington and has had an ongoing problem. Easy in the market for her delayed reappearnce yesterday and ran poorly.
Friends of mine have been on Beneteau for the Diamond since before his first run. The lucky chaps have secured 50, 40 and 30/1 antepost. Been following his progress closely on a private Australian forum. The team are very confident.
The filly Psychologist was most impressive for Tony Vasil the trainer of Elvstroem and Haradasun. She has a lot to prove though next time having run significantly slower time and stepping up in trip. The 1200m ( 6f ) can only improve Beneteau on the evidence I’ve seen. I have him around 7/4 – 2/1 at this stage and possibly shorter from the right gate.
Be careful with the William Reid. Translating straight five furlong form to the tight six furlongs at Moonee Valley is tricky ( Think Ascot to Chester ). Nicconi only really hit his straps this time last year when reverted to sprints from a miler campaign. He looked a perfect Ascot horse then and has improved for mine.
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In fact on the subject of Beneteau I posted this to the bloodstock section. Sorry didn’t see this thread sooner! Mind you no response to my bloodstock question anyway.
Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:36 pm
by Chiswickian on Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:36 pmI’m sure many know all about the prolific leading sire from Australia. Another very promising debutante in Beneteau yesterday at Randwick. I believe a few have been bred to Northern time and may debut this season. Anyone heard about any particular individuals?
Translating that, we’re looking for progeny of Redoute’s Choice, born on northern hemispere time.
Looking on Pedigree Query, there are four horses for 2008, which may well be what we’re looking for.
MATAAJIR C 2008 HAMASAH IRISH RIVER
SULTAH F 2008 JUDHOOR ALHAARTH
TAZAHUM C 2008 HUJA2 ALZAO
XXXYY C 2008 SPECIAL DIAMOND3 ZABEEL
Okay, this is the proposition: we are looking for a group of horses that we can follow so that we can get, say, nine wins in a row. Parlay them. This draws on the Zenyatta/RA/STS thread in the systems section, and perhaps also Myles’ post about winning fillies keep on winning.
Maybe Australia racing is suited to this, as there won’t be many foreign runners to come along and upset the applecart. We’ll make the Golden Jubilee at Royal Ascot the last race, and if we ain’t rich enough by then, we’ll bung it all on Ghana for the World Cup. Have they qualified?
Suggestions are
Nicconi 5f
Black Caviar 6f
Typhoon Tracy 7f-1m
Denman 7f-1m
Manhattan Rain 10f.Kick both Starspangledbanner and So You Think into touch.
Between these five, or perhaps any other horses that may be nominated, can we get 9 consecutive wins?
The filly Psychologist was most impressive for Tony Vasil the trainer of Elvstroem and Haradasun. She has a lot to prove though next time having run significantly slower time and stepping up in trip. The 1200m ( 6f ) can only improve Beneteau on the evidence I’ve seen. I have him around 7/4 – 2/1 at this stage and possibly shorter from the right gate.
0.3 seconds roughly, carrying the same weight? She’ll get 2kg in the Blue Diamond I believe.
Both were carrying 55.5kg
Psychologist 33.98 last 600m, 62.67 secs
Beneteau 33.97 last 600m, 62.45Nominations for the William Reid
1 BLACK CAVIAR Peter G Moody 106
2 DISSOLVED Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 72
3 EAGLE FALLS David Hayes 105
4 HEADWAY Peter G Moody 107
5 LIGHT FANTASTIC Mick Price 109
6 MASTER O’REILLY (NZ) Danny O’Brien 110
7 MENTALITY Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 104
8 NICCONI David Hayes 115
9 SHELLSCRAPE Chris Waller 103
10 SNIPER’S BULLET Tracey Bartley 116
11 SO ANYWAY John P Thompson 80
12 STARSPANGLEDBANNER Leon Corstens 110
13 TURFFONTEIN Anthony Cummings 108
14 WANTED Peter G Moody 106Off thread, but "out of form" David Hayes wins the Hobart Cup.
Winning distance a bit too big though.
Off to work.
Mighty battle of the sexes
* Adrian Dunn
* From:
* Sunday, 7 February 2010BRING it on. That’s how David Hayes views Saturday’s showdown between his sprinter, Nicconi, and unbeaten filly Black Caviar.
Hayes said that given how well the four-year-old had been since his Lightning Stakes (1000m) win at Caulfield on January 30, he was heading to the Valley full of confidence.
He said Nicconi’s second-up record of a win in the Wellington Stakes and a luckless third in the Manikato Stakes (1200m) was almost as impressive as his "amazing" first-up record.
"Nicconi and Black Caviar will race differently," Hayes said.
"Mine will probably be on the bad side of midfield and she (Black Caviar) will probably be cruising in front.
" I’m sure this horse (Nicconi) will give her the biggest test she’s had so far.
"It’s going to be a very intriguing race.
"I wouldn’t be running him if I didn’t think he could win."
Apart from Black Caviar defending her perfect record – five wins from five starts – Moody will be represented by Wanted, who has run two close seconds in Group 1 company and was beaten by a nose by Nicconi at his last start.
"They are not a bad pair to be taking into the race," Moody said.
"I take a formline through Wanted. He ran a very good second behind Black Caviar in the Danehill (Stakes) and he’s run Nicconi to a head.
"And I think he should have won the Manikato in the spring. Just like the Lightning, he shot to the front and got left in front too far out.
"I wouldn’t swap my two for any."
Here De Angels’ track-record breaking win in the Rubiton Stakes (1100m) at Caulfield on Saturday was a reminder of the strength of Black Caviar’s win in the Australia Stakes (1200m) at Moonee Valley on January 22 when she "destroyed" Here De Angels.
Moody said the William Reid Stakes (1200m) was a "nice, next step" for Black Caviar in shaping her autumn program.
He said apart from "maintenance issues" with the big, strong filly, her work had been "tremendous" since her sizzling first-up win.
It seems likely the William Reid will have fewer than 10 runners, but the field is set to include Light Fantastic, who will be searching for his first win since he defeated Weekend Hussler in the 2008 Liston Stakes.
Filly the threat
* Adrian Dunn
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* Tuesday, 9 February 2010MICK Price normally fancies Light Fantastic’s chances first-up, but this time his enthusiasm is tempered by the presence of Black Caviar.
Peter Moody’s unbeaten filly is weighing heavily on how Price rates Light Fantastic’s prospects in the 1200m William Reid Stakes at Moonee Valley on Saturday.
"He’ll run in the money, but whether he’s good enough and tough enough at the time to beat Black Caviar, who’s a run in front of him, I don’t know," Price said.
"For a normal 1200m race, he could go there and win.
"He’s had a good preparation, but the filly is definitely the one to beat."
Light Fantastic had two months in a paddock after his sixth to Apache Cat in the 100m Moir Stakes at Moonee Valley on October 24.
Price said the five-year-old had worked and trialled well and would go into the Group 1 race in good condition.
"It’s hard racing at that level," he said.
"He doesn’t have a margin on them, but he’s a very handy horse."
Price said while Light Fantastic had won only one Group 1, he had been beaten narrowly in a couple of others, finishing a head second in the Futurity Stakes and a half-length second in the George Ryder last year.
Light Fantastic, to be ridden by Craig Newitt, and new stablemate Gran Sasso will head to the 1200m Newmarket Handicap at Flemington on March 6.
Sorry, about collating all this – which people who are interested in it will have read anyway. I’m just mulling what to do, and covering it up with a facade of activity.
Star colts not certain for William Reid
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* Tuesday, 9 February 2010Starts are still up in the air for three-year-olds Starspangledbanner and Shellscrape in Saturday’s Group One William Reid Stakes.
Starts are still up in the air for three-year-olds Starspangledbanner and Shellscrape in Saturday’s Group One William Reid Stakes despite both colts galloping impressively at Moonee Valley on Tuesday.
The Leon Corstens stable was very happy with the way Caulfield Guineas winner Starspangledbanner worked as was Rosehill trainer Chris Waller with Shellscrape.
"He worked really nicely," stable foreman Troy Corstens said of Starspangledbanner and added a decision on a start would be made before acceptances which close at 9am (AEDT) on Wednesday.
The other option was to wait and run him in the Group One Oakleigh Plate (1100m) at Caulfield on Saturday week.
The handsome son of Choisir went over 800m with Dan Nikolic in the saddle, and was timed to run his last 600m in a tick over 35 seconds.
A Moonee Valley winner on debut as a two-year-old on Cox Plate day in 2008, Starspangledbanner handled the Valley circuit well.
"We thought we’d bring him back and familiarise him with it as he hasn’t been back for a little while, but he seemed to get around it quite nicely," Corstens said.
"He’s going to need to be at the top of his game to beat Black Caviar so we’ll see how he comes through today and we’ll make our decision in the morning."
Starspangledbanner was purchased for a reported $10 million by Coolmore Stud the day before he ran fourth to Reid rival Nicconi in the Lightning Stakes (1000m) at Flemington last Saturday week.
Nikolic also rode Shellscrape at the Valley on Tuesday and was impressed with the way the Dane Shadow colt handled the course in his workout with stablemate Dystopia.
"He got around really well and was on his right leg," he said.
Waller said he could be swayed into running Shellscrape in the Reid if it looked like the field was going to be small, otherwise he would wait for the Oakleigh Plate.
Shellscrape ran a solid third when resuming in the Lightning.
The Anthony Cummings-trained Turffontein is a definite starter in the Reid and he worked nicely at the Valley with Mark Zahra aboard covering 600m in 37.5 seconds, the final 400m in 24.5s.
Glen Boss will ride the Group One Rupert Clarke Stakes (1400m) winner on Saturday.
El Segundo was not one of the 14 nominations for the Reid but trainer Colin Little took advantage of being able to gallop the 2007 Cox Plate winner on his favourite surface.
Little has the eight-year-old aimed at a first-up crack at the $1 million Newmarket Hcp (1200m) at Flemington on March 6.
El Segundo sprinted home stylishly, running the last 400m of his workout in 24.5 seconds.
Okay, looks like there might be a decent race at Sandown to have a tilt at.
Hayes to gallop stars at Sandown
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* Tuesday, 9 February 2010David Hayes will gallop imports Changingoftheguard and Our Aqaleem as well as sprinter Eagle Falls before the first race at Sandown on Wednesday.
David Hayes will gallop imports Changingoftheguard and Our Aqaleem as well as sprinter Eagle Falls before the first race at Sandown on Wednesday.
Australian Cup hopes Changingoftheguard (Glen Boss) and Our Aqaleem (Steven Arnold) will gallop together over 1600m, while Oakleigh Plate and Newmarket Handicap prospect Eagle Falls (Damien Oliver) will gallop solo over 1000m about 200-300 metres behind that pair.
Hayes intends to give Changingoftheguard his first Australian start in the Group Two St George Stakes (1800m) at Caulfield on Saturday week.
Changingoftheguard was controversially scratched from the 2009 Melbourne Cup on the morning of the race when veterinary stewards ruled that he was lame.
Our Aqaleem, who won at his first start for Hayes over 1600m at Flemington on January 30, will go straight into the Australian Cup (2000m) at Flemington on March 6 without another run.
"I wasn’t going to bring Changingoftheguard up this autumn as he looked so light but he dropped his coat and he’s put on 45kg," Hayes said.
"He looks magnificent the horse."
Meanwhile, Warrnambool trainer Symon Wilde says freshness is the key to in-form four-year-old Watto’s Racer’s prospects in the Murray Handicap at Sandown.
Wilde, who trains in partnership with his father Bill, scratched Watto’s Racer from the 1300m race won by Confidence Reef at Sandown last Wednesday to give him two-and-half weeks between runs.
The Racer’s Edge gelding is out to complete a hat-trick of 1400m wins after scoring narrowly from Light Tan in a 0-86 Hcp on his home track and then taking out a 0-72 Hcp from Forty Days at Ballarat, both last month.
"He’s been really good fresh so we just decided to give him the extra week as we thought it would be beneficial to him," Wilde said.
"He won against his normal pattern at Ballarat when there was no pace on and he had to go forward.
"Normally he likes to get back and enjoys a bit of pace on.
"He’s a lovely big, strong type."
Dean Yendall, who won on Watto’s Racer last start, retains the mount on the horse who has drawn barrier eight of the nine runners.
Watto’s Racer was originally trained at Warrnambool by Patrick Ryan and won one of his first four starts.
But when Ryan relocated to Queensland the horse was transferred to the Wildes who have won three races from seven starts with him.
Private Jeune, prepared at Wangaratta by Allan Fitzgerald, is $3.80 favourite with TAB Sportsbet ahead of Watto’s Racer ($4.60) and Adams Bell ($4.80) with Yaqubi next at $5.
Monday, 8 February 2010
By Robert WindmillTrainer Leon Corstens will decide after a familiarising Moonee Valley track gallop whether Caulfield Guineas winner Starspangledbanner will line up in the Group One William Reid Stakes (1200m).
Corstens’ son Troy confirmed the three-year-old would have a searching gallop over 1000 metres at the Valley on Tuesday which would determine plans to run him in Saturday’s weight-for-age sprint.
"At this stage he is no certainty to run on Saturday," Corstens said.
"We will see how he pulls up from the gallop tomorrow and then make a decision."
Last month Starspangledbanner finished a close first-up fourth in the Group One Lightning Stakes (1000m) at Flemington, a day after he was sold for $10 million to Coolmore Stud.
Corstens said Starspangledbanner had benefited from the run and that he was yet to peak.
"He is well and truly still on the way up," Corstens said.
"He hasn’t been to the Valley for a while so we thought we would take him there which will do his fitness a lot of good."
Corstens said Starspangledbanner’s Lightning run was full of merit but tactics to try to take a sit off the speed may have worked against him.
"I wouldn’t be too worried about his first-up run," Corstens said.
"We made a conscious decision beforehand to try and get a little bit of cover because we thought there would be a stack of speed in the race with horses like Burdekin Blues, but when he got in behind them I don’t think he was comfortable.
"He might just be a free roller who needs to get out in front but in saying that he still broke 22s for his last 400 metres and was only 1.3 lengths from Nicconi who is one of the best sprinters in the land."
Starspangledbanner has won five of his 10 starts and earned more than $1 million in stakes.
The son of Choisir is among 14 entries for the William Reid which features a clash between Peter Moody’s unbeaten filly Black Caviar and Nicconi.
Moody has also entered Lightning runner-up Wanted and Headway who was fifth in the Flemington sprint.
Lightning Stakes third placegetter Shellscrape and Turffontein will also gallop at Moonee Valley on Tuesday in preparation for the William Reid.
Team Hawkes has nominated Mentality and Dissolved while David Hayes has entered Nicconi’s stablemate and Salinger Stakes winner Eagle Falls.
Sniper’s Bullet and Light Fantastic provide added interest.
Entries have been extended until Tuesday morning and the final field will be declared on Wednesday.
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