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Meisho Samson has his final run tomorrow before retirement according to the RP…
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/home.sd?story=79647
He comes up against the Japan Cup winner, Screen Hero, amongst others.
I really fancy him for this and thats saying something considering I havent rated this horse at all this year.
Does anyone know if there’s anywhere to take a punt on this race?
If not, I’ll be backing Meisho in spirit. Hope he signs off with a win
Try Zeturf – they sometimes take bets into the various PMU’s around the world.
For those of you who cant access the RP heres the story…
Nakayama: Arima Kinen (Grade 1) 1m41/2f, turf
JAPAN’S season-ending grand prix takes place on Sunday, in the early hours of the morning UK time, with the Arima Kinen meeting at Nakayama, where the nationwill say farewell to one of its favourites in Meisho Samson.
Yutaka Take is back after being sidelined with a broken arm to partner the Shigetada Takahashi-trained five-year-old on the final start of a career that saw him win two Classics in 2006.
Meisho Samson is without a victory for more than 12 months, during which one of his most lacklustre displays came in the Arc, where he was down the field before finishing only sixth last time out in the Japan Cup.
He will certainly need to step up on recent efforts if he is to leave his mark in the Arima Kinen, which has once again attracted a star-studded field, even in the absence of superstar filly Vodka and Derby winner Deep Sky.
Take has been sidelined since November 23. "There’s still some pain, and I’ve been doing the rehab work so I can ride in the Arima Kinen," he said.
"There’s no denying the quality of the horse, so if he runs to potential, we shouldn’t have to worry about the result. It’s his last race so I want him to race like the Samson we all know he can be."
Worth a total of 342 million yen in total – £2.57m at current exchange rates – the Grade 1 event is designed to provide a climax to the year with a true championship event.
A public vote determines 50 per cent of the field, with the remainder selected on the basis of form.
Besides obvious fans’ favourite Meisho Samson, this year’s field includes shock 40-1 Japan Cup winner Screen Hero and last year’s one-two Matsurida Gogh and Daiwa Scarlet.
After a career interrupted by injury, Screen Hero (Yuichi Shikato/Mirco Demuro) had Deep Sky,Vodka and Matsurida Gogh back in the minor places when winning the Japan Cup.
His form has also been franked by Hong Kong Vase third Jaguar Mail, who was behind Screen Hero on his previous outing at Tokyo racecourse.
Trainer Yuichi Shikato said: "If we can win this one, he can become a true hero so we’re up for it.
"His workouts have gone well – he was in fantastic form for the Japan Cup and I can say with certainty that he’s in the same form."
Rivals are headed by Matsurida Gogh and top filly Daiwa Scarlet (Kunihide Matsuda/Katsumi Ando), a three-time Grade 1 winner who was only a nose behind Vodka on her comeback after a setback in October in the Tenno Sho (Autumn).
Daiwa Scarlet, a length and a quarter behind Matsurida Gogh in 2008, bypassed the Japan Cup to be specifically targeted at this race.
"She looks a lot better around her back and at the hip compared to the Tenno Sho," said trainer Kunihide Matsuda.
"She’s matured and is really coming into her own as a racehorse. We want to race her overseas next year, and we hope we can race against Vodka abroad. So we’re really looking forward to this Arima Kinen."
Daiwa Scarlet has caught a wide draw in 13 of 14, with Matsurida Gogh (Sakae Kunieda/ Masayoshi Ebina) three inside in ten.
"We’re at Nakayama this time where he instinctively seems to know when to make the move," said Sakae Kunieda.
"He’s always been an aggressive horse, so I think a tight course like Nakayama, where the race tends to bunch up, works in his favour.
Try Zeturf – they sometimes take bets into the various PMU’s around the world.
Thanks Irish Stamp
Doesnt seem to have this one on there but I didnt know about this website. Could come in handy in the future
Meisho Samson has his final run tomorrow before retirement according to the RP…
……Does anyone know if there’s anywhere to take a punt on this race?
con kafataris will lay you:
– fixed odds (8.00)
– NSW TAB on the simulcast
– SuperOdds ( "A dividend declared by Centrebet at the close of betting, which is based on Centrebet’s own proprietary formula" – and definitely, for copyright and other reasons, nothing to do with the Nakayama machine, though don’t be surprised if purely by coincidence it happens to be an enhanced version of that dividend).
http://centrebet.com/cust?action=GoRaci … tab=racing
best regards
wit
Just had a look, didnt recognise the name that was all
Thats perfect! Decent odds too
Thanks Wit
If Meisho wins remind me to post you a drink of your choice 
What is it about Group 1 races in non-Anglophone countries that makes them a “must ignore” for the RP, Sporting Life, ATR, and bookmakers’ sites?
Yet shiteholes like Delaware and Sunland Park get extensive coverage?
Are there really people who’d rather bet on that rubbish than on races like the Arima Kinen?
What is it about Group 1 races in non-Anglophone countries that makes them a “must ignore” for the RP, Sporting Life, ATR, and bookmakers’ sites?
Yet shiteholes like Delaware and Sunland Park get extensive coverage?
Are there really people who’d rather bet on that rubbish than on races like the Arima Kinen?
This is a frustration I have too.
The exchanges boycott Hong Kong, the Japan Cup and other excellent Eastern races yet will cover naff races.
The RP only put this in a hidden place otherwise I wouldnt have even known Meisho was bowing out tonight
con kafataris is a gentleman bookmaker in the victor chandler vein – personal view, having met them both over the years.
centrebet – like mark read’s http://www.iasbet.com – is listed on the australian stock exchange.
safe and sound, IMO.
best regards
wit
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Great to see you back Wit
I’ll second that.
Hope you are well Wit, and this is more than just a flying visit?- Total Posts 17716
Great to see you back Wit
I’ll second that.
Hope you are well, Wit, and this is more than just a flying visit?corm, reet – many thanks for your kind words.
hope to pop in more often than of late, though (i guess as with many) time is tight these days.
best regards
wit
What is it about Group 1 races in non-Anglophone countries that makes them a “must ignore” for the RP, Sporting Life, ATR, and bookmakers’ sites?
Yet shiteholes like Delaware and Sunland Park get extensive coverage?
Are there really people who’d rather bet on that rubbish than on races like the Arima Kinen?
This is a frustration I have too.
The exchanges boycott Hong Kong, the Japan Cup and other excellent Eastern races yet will cover naff races.
The RP only put this in a hidden place otherwise I wouldnt have even known Meisho was bowing out tonight
I think you will find that exchanges are not allowed to bet on these races.
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I think you will find that exchanges are not allowed to bet on these races.That depends on what you mean by "not allowed".
There is no legal prohibition under GB law as regards GB exchanges (and bookies) operating in GB – they could quite legally under GB law do what Northern Territory bookies are doing under NT law regarding racing in eg Japan or HK.
Exchanges may not be allowed by the betting laws of Japan or HK (or in the Southern Hemisphere apart from Tasmania), but those laws no more run in Britain than British law runs in Japan and HK. Betting laws have territorial limits.
The nearest the Gambling Act in GB gets to international co-operation on betting is in section 44. This allows the Secretary of State to designate another country as a "prohibited teritory", after which a person will "commit an offence if he does anything in GB, or uses remote gambling equipment situated in GB, for the purpose of inviting or enabling a person in that prohibited territory to participate in remote gambling" {eg use Betfair from Japan}. No country has yet been so designated.
William Hill (and if I recall also Betfair ?) in fact did run a full service on HK racing some 7/8 years ago for a couple of seasons, then stopped. Timeform I think quit HK operations about the same time.
Unless anyone knows differently, I assume this was for reasons of commercial viability.
Doubtless losing the sniping from the HKJC about inciting HK locals to break HK law by betting with GB on HK racing would have had advantages in relation to public profile on stock exchanges, but then the NT bookies today are publicly listed too….
In short, I reckon if exchanges are "not allowed" to bet, that is by internal management choice rather than external compulsion.
Time zone, language and unfamiliar local form will IMO leave Japan as a hard nut to crack for UK operators and their punters unless/until the JRA boost their English language output along the lines of HK.
Similarly, if the HKJC really wanted to cut overseas "piracy" of its racing, it could do so at a stroke by ending all its English language output.
To its credit though it has recognised that the world has moved on and today much of its income comes from fixed odds betting on English and other football leagues.
best regards
wit
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