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a lot is made about diving and gamesmanship but where plain old malicious and violently intended tackes are concerned players really need to be banned for a long, long, time
not for the faint hearted the following is a birmingham players tackle that may well have ended the career today of one of the most promising players in the best league in the world at the age of 24
http://www.vg.no/bilder/edrum/1203772672438_618.jpg
http://www.expressandstar.com/2008/02/2 … -pictures/
the gamesmanship here is as the poor lad is lying on the floor with his leg all over the place and the offender is walking off his teammates are gesturing argument at the sending off
football shouldnt be wrapped in cotton wool but these sort of tackles should be punished with life bans imo
Don’t talk such nonsense, sberry.
Yes, the injury Eduardo sustained was horrific and I would be extremely surprised were he to play again (from the slow motion replay on MOTD, his foot looks to have almost been taken clean off) but there was absolutely no malice on the part of Martin Taylor. Eduardo was far too quick in shifting the ball, and Taylor was already committed to the tackle. You have to feel for the young Croat, you really do, but it was an accident.
Arsene Wenger has since rescinded his post-match comments, and pro-Arsenal David Platt admitted that he didn’t even think the tackle was worth a booking when seeing it in real time.
I think there is a world of difference between a clumsy, late or ill-timed tackle and the sort of assault that Roy Keane meted out to that Man City player who’s name escapes me.
The problem is that ‘this sort of tackle’ is only really defined by the end result, ie a terrible fracture. Other than that, if we were to punish every mistimed or clumsy tackle with long bans or straight red cards, you are effectively punishing players for not being very good. A dangerous road to go down bearing in mind that most English defenders fit into this category.
It was a horrific injury but I don’t think there was any malice intended.
I see Arsene Whinger has since retracted his post match comment about Taylor being banned for life. I should think so too.
Isn’t it funny how he saw this unfortunate incident but never, ever sees anything which reflects badly on his own players during matches. Selective viewing, some would call it.
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Try comparing yesterday’s tackle with Dean Saunders’s ‘assault’ on Paul Elliot in 1994, the Roy Keane incident as alluded to above or Ben Thatcher’s forearm smash on Pedro Mendez – they’re just not in the same league.
so nobody thinks that any managers of these types of teams, premier also-rans that are not fast enough or clever enough to compete with the top 3 teams, ever give ‘roughing’ instructions to their players before the k/o ?
"okay lads, if we try and play football we’ll get stuffed six nil, they are too good and too fast but if you get stuck in for the first 15, let em know you’re there, go in hard, rattle their ankles, kick their shin if you miss the ball, etc – that’ll make em more hesitant and slow em down and bring the game down to our scrappers level where we may scrape a draw…"
now, disregard the patronising of the lower prem teams but you cannot believe this does not happen, you see it every week, its been admitted by coaches before
i’m not saying he intended the result he got from the tackle but he did intend a hard tackle, get the man if i miss the ball, that’ll make him think next time – that makes it malicious and the possible outcomes deserves bigger bans
only a wrongun would want to do that to someone but even some coaches will be now thinking ‘great, i’ll now get my team to go in rough for the first quarter and we’ll slow em down some more – if the 1 in a 1000 terrible accident happens everyone will say he didnt mean it but more likely, ronaldo, drogba, et al, will look at this incident and they will pull out of more tackles now – this is what was wanted when the tackle was made – the outcome has been achieved but at a cost they probably didnt envisage
he didnt intend the injury but it was a malicious tackle
much more of this and you couldn’t blame the top 3 from england, spain, italy, germany, portugal and holland setting up their own league where the brum and bolton type hackers wont be in a position to do this
The tackle wasn’t malicious, sberry, as the word itself indicates some degree of pre-meditation and intent. Martin Taylor committed himself to the tackle, was undone by Eduardo’s quick feet and was unlucky enough to catch him on the way through. In no way does it compare to some of the tackles we have seen in recent seasons, including those mentioned above.
Should Diaby have been banned for life for nearly taking Terry’s head off in the Carling Cup final last year?
I have no doubt that some teams make a point of hassling the better clubs – Bolton have been doing it for years – but under no circumstance will managers be issuing instructions to make rash, career-threatening tackles.
It’s this sort of nonsense, in conjunction with hasty comments such as those made by Arsene Wenger yesterday (retracting them is all well and good, but the words have already been taken to heart by people by that time) which propel football in to a free-fall to oblivion.
sorry LGR i disagree and you almost contradicted yourself in admitting managers of lower quality teams will instruct their players to "hassle" the better players – in effect this means getting stuck in – not with deliberately making tackles that they think might be career ending but by making malicious tackles that are designed to foul the player, rough him up and put him off his game and that means wrong contact tackles
and its precisely these sort of tackles that when made can go wrong resulting in what happened yesterday and its easy to hide behind the ‘he’s a good lad he didnt mean that’ groundswell and lily-livered ‘take no responsibility for your action’ type attitude that we do so well in this country that allows people to get away with it – always assuming the best in someone might give a nice feeling but isnt always right
i dont doubt for one minute all involved are upset at the result but deep down many coaches and players will be thinking ‘good, thats put the shits up ronaldo, rooney and co and next theyre looking good all i need do is raise my foot and theyll back off’ and we can have a nice scrappy game
if the top teams leave this behind them to form a super league it is precisely these ‘scrappy’ teams that will be put out of business as the money wont follow them
There is a world of difference between playing a physical game (or hassling) as Bolton did under Allardyce, and setting out with the intention of injuring players.
I agree that there is no place in the game for tackles which do, or could, cause serious injury, but there has to be an identifiable intent before anything can be done – Martin Taylor’s tackle was purely accidental and despite the injury Eduardo sustained the three game ban he must now serve is punishment enough.
The suggestion that malicious tackles are reserved for every team but the top fours is laughable, and shows just how hollow such scathing attacks are. There have been a number of horrific instances involving Manchester United (Roy Keane in particular), Arsenal (Diaby in last season’s Carling Cup for one – accidental, but obviously punishable by your logic), Chelsea and Liverpool (Dean Saunders on Paul Elliot, and Steven Gerrard has done more than a couple), so this can be considered a football-wide, worldwide problem.
That was nauseating.
Worse than this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX2yxGK5ZZw
Luckily, this bloke returned to full competition within 2 years.
Is Eduardo finished for life?
Eduardo has had surgery to repair the double compound fracture he sustained, and remains confident that he’ll return to professional football.
This was a long time ago so I dont remeber the tackle itself but if any does remember it please post,although it would make painful reading it was Gary Maquire(QPR) horrific tackle that ended Danny Thomas (Spurs) career think he was only 26 at the time,whats even more painful is I think remeber seeing a piece on Danny on television that showed him working as a physio think it was for WBA and seeing him running onto the pitch with a limp if I remember right,always comes back to me when I see these horrific challanges like the one on Eduardo,hope the guy makes a full recovery.
it may just be bad eggs because they lost, and i laughed long and hard when they did and then nearly laughed to myself to death when chelski lost but ronaldo’s comments after the game :
"Ronaldo also revealed a lack of protection from officials had made him "scared" to play his natural game.
He said: "Sometimes I say that this is the best league in the world, but sometimes they don’t protect the skilful players. "After what happened to the Arsenal player Eduardo da Silva, I am scared to do my skills."
i stil say taylor didn’t mean to break his leg but that those type of tackles are intended as they are played as opposed to ‘being accidentally late’ to rattle opponents up by kicking them and this is the result
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