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I have NEVER said Black Cavar, Atlantic Jewel or So You Think’s Australian trainers have done anything ILLEGAL Jollyp.
STEROIDS were perfectly LEGAL in Australia.
indeed.Why ask if Atlantic Jewel will probably retire now? Because you like to throw stones though don’t have the balls to back it up by coming out and saying
And superb addition there Sea Pigeon a smiley face with ‘Indeed’ sure that took a lot out of you Again Jollyp, I have
not
suggested Atlantic Jewel’s trainer has done anything
illegal
, just worked within Australian rules.
I asked the question whether Atlantic Jewel will retire now? Because (through reading an Australian forum) there seems to have been quite a few retirements lately. And
IF
her trainer has been using all the
legal
materials available – those materials will
no longer
be legally available, so won’t have those advantages next June… ie Will
not
be able to show the same level of form. Making it particularly harder in International competition come next June (Royal Ascot)… So connections might decide to retire rather than race on.
Value Is EverythingAgain Jollyp, I have
not
suggested Atlantic Jewel’s trainer has done anything
illegal
, just worked within Australian rules.
I asked the question whether Atlantic Jewel will retire now? Because (through reading an Australian forum) there seems to have been quite a few retirements lately. And
IF
her trainer has been using all the
legal
materials available – those materials will
no longer
be legally available, so won’t have those advantages next June… ie Will
not
be able to show the same level of form. Making it particularly harder in International competition come next June (Royal Ascot)… So connections might decide to retire rather than race on.
Oh dear GT , I have been trying to train you but it seems hopeless! Your major targets for steroids are geldings, it is counter productive in entires making them too heavy. Whilst fillies may benefit from such if they were small it is not common to give fillies and mares steroids. Therefore it will not make one iota of difference to their form if a horse is not using steroids.
You should have some
evidence
if you want to call a jockey’s integrity in to question Mark.
Please Mark, take another look at the race. If you still think Noel should have been in front, get your stop watch out and time the sectionals. You’ll see the pace was not even. Those in front in the first three quarters of the race went TOO QUICKLY.
You %$#&*@* hypocrite how many times have you insinuated that an Australian trainer has used steroids on a particular horse defaming them without any evidence! Now you get on your high horse about someone else, FFS! Black Caviar, Atlantic Jewel, So You Think and any [expletive] horse who has won over there, you have inferred that about all of theses horses in past posts!!!
He’s just a massive ****
Oh dear GT , I have been trying to train you but it seems hopeless! Your major targets for steroids are geldings, it is counter productive in entires making them too heavy. Whilst fillies may benefit from such if they were small it is not common to give fillies and mares steroids. Therefore it will not make one iota of difference to their form if a horse is not using steroids.
Is that what Moody and Kavanagh have told you Jollyp?
Value Is EverythingOh dear GT , I have been trying to train you but it seems hopeless! Your major targets for steroids are geldings, it is counter productive in entires making them too heavy. Whilst fillies may benefit from such if they were small it is not common to give fillies and mares steroids. Therefore it will not make one iota of difference to their form if a horse is not using steroids.
Is that what Moody and Kavanagh have told you Jollyp?
No GT unlike you I know a bit about the subject, it is called horse sense! See there you go insinuating again! I have hands on experience giving horses injections,why don’t we start questioning Frankel if he may have had steroids,well seems they were prevalent around Newmarket! Why well going by your standards if they come from here and are a good horse they must have had steroids! Don’t be a moron all your life GT, stick to maths as you know sweet FA about horses!
Oh dear GT , I have been trying to train you but it seems hopeless! Your major targets for steroids are geldings, it is counter productive in entires making them too heavy. Whilst fillies may benefit from such if they were small it is not common to give fillies and mares steroids. Therefore it will not make one iota of difference to their form if a horse is not using steroids.
Is that what Moody and Kavanagh have told you Jollyp?
No GT unlike you I know a bit about the subject, it is called horse sense! See there you go insinuating again! I have hands on experience giving horses injections,why don’t we start questioning Frankel if he may have had steroids? Why well going by your standards if they come from here and are a good horse they must have had steroids! Don’t be a d@ckhead all your life GT!
So you’re the Aussie needle man Jollyp!
It wasn’t you who injected Takeover Target in the wrong place, was it Jollyp?I too have my sourses who say steroids are just as effective in larger horses and fillies/mares.
Imagine this scenario my Aussie freind.
Owner: "Why do you think that horse beat us a length"?
Trainer: "He might be on steroids".
Owner: "Isn’t that illegal"?
Trainer: "No, perfectly legal".Now answer me this…
Is the owner going to say:"Oh, that’s alright then".
Or
"So why the f*~# isn’t our horse on steroids?And if you think he’ll say the former…
What if the two horses meet again and is beaten by the same distance?
What would the owner say then Jollyp?If steroids are legal then the trainer is not doing his best to win a race. If steroids are illegal (as in Frankel/Sir Henry’s case) the situation does not arise; the trainer has to keep within the rules. It will be interesting to see how Australian horses fair in the next few years.
Value Is EverythingUnfortunately, when steroids were legal then every horse could be on steroids. Therefore, every horse has to be presumed to be on steroids when judging their performance.
Where as, when steroids are illegal every horse should be presumed not on steroids, unless there is evidence to say otherwise.
Thankfully Jollyp, the ARB has now come to their senses. So we can relax now can’t we?
Value Is EverythingUnfortunately, when steroids were legal then every horse could be on steroids. Therefore, every horse has to be presumed to be on steroids when judging their performance.
Where as, when steroids are illegal every horse should be presumed not on steroids, unless there is evidence to say otherwise.
Thankfully Jollyp, the ARB has now come to their senses. So we can relax now can’t we?
Hmmm the trainers of the 100 or so horses treated with them in Newmarket certainly breathed a sigh of relief when they swept it under the carpet, oh and as you say it is illegal there!
Press release by the Australian Racing Board:
Monday, 16 September 2013
“Racing is a sport and as such must be a test of the ability of the individual horse, its trainer and rider and not of the pharmacologist, veterinarian or sports scientist.
The true spirit of competition means that no-one gets an unfair advantage which anabolic steroids can confer in certain situations.
"A new Australian Rule of Racing will be introduced on the 1st of November with the ban taking effect from 1 May, 2014 thereby giving six months for a treated horse to be free of anabolic steroids," Mr McGauran concluded.
It is no good you complaining about me suggesting Australian horses have had an unfair advantage in the past Jollyp… When your Australian Racing Board now agrees with me.
Value Is EverythingPress release by the Australian Racing Board:
Monday, 16 September 2013
“Racing is a sport and as such must be a test of the ability of the individual horse, its trainer and rider and not of the pharmacologist, veterinarian or sports scientist.
The true spirit of competition means that no-one gets an unfair advantage which anabolic steroids can confer in certain situations.
"A new Australian Rule of Racing will be introduced on the 1st of November with the ban taking effect from 1 May, 2014 thereby giving six months for a treated horse to be free of anabolic steroids," Mr McGauran concluded.
It is no good you complaining about me suggesting Australian horses have had an unfair advantage in the past Jollyp… When your Australian Racing Board now agrees with me.
Agrees with you!
Hmmm I wonder what You and TAPK would do with your over inflated ego’s if you didn’t have this forum
And superb addition there Sea Pigeon a smiley face with ‘Indeed’ sure that took a lot out of you 
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