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Is there any post that gives a basic introduction to VDW?
From experience is this one of the better ‘systems’ to adopt or is it better to devise your own
Formath will be the man to point you in the right direction.
Hopefully, he will read this post.
Regards – Matron
OFO .. there is a website where you can buy the e-books I think. They are only £10 each .. well worth the money IMO.
This site is quite useful: http://www.racingnet.co.uk/
Also, if you type "vdw" into the Flat Stats (http://www.flatstats.co.uk/) search page, there are some very useful and informative posts.
Furthermore, I know his and Jock Binghams’ methods inside out if you need any more help on this topic.
GL
If you type Moss Publications into your browser window that will take you to the site where the VDW booklets are available.
You could also click on my profile here, then on my homepage, finally on the link to VDW advice. The basics are on there together with my opinion, for free. I am not a ‘true follower’ of VDW as I have moved on over the years. I was involved with Tony Peach when the series of booklets were put together.
In fact we chatted only last week and he told me that one of the contributors to The Silver Lining who was on his way to making his second million from following VDW ideas is now suffering from terminal cancer, which is sad.
Guys, thanks for the advice, I think that Im going to have a serious look into some of the systems mentioned on here. I will probbay need a degree to understand some of them but never mind I can but try
Grand Lodge what is Jock Binghams’ method?
Formath can I ask why you are no longer a true follower of the VDW method?
Jock Bingham wrote a couple of books on systems he had devised from the VDW methodology: One that I own is called 4 ways 2 win, I forget the name of the other.
GL
Formath I have read your article on VDW with great interest. My head hurts due to the amount of content and I feel that I am a little confused with the whole situation but with a little time I hope to get there! I think the best way is to look at each issue in isolation.
If I may I have a few intial questions?
In VDW2 it mentions a staking plan, is this the plan used when betting on the selcted horses? And would I be right in thinking that the staking plan could be used over a number of days depending on the type of race available?
In VDW3 it talks about narrowing the field. If I look at the 1530 from Yarmouth (most expensive race) this afternoon then the first 6 in the betting would be. The last three placed finishes are in brackets, do I not allocate points for a ‘0’ finish? and what if there are only 2 finishing places as per connect?
Don Pele (11)
Obe Gold (16)
Everygrainofsand (9)
Adantino (7)
Figaro Flyer (12) and
Connect (13)This would leave Don Pele, Everygrainofsand and Adantino.
Adantino has no previous despite a class2 victory a few races ago. 33/1 last time out – Dismiss.
Don Pele ran on in its last outing but carried 8-13 to finish 3rd, carrying 9-2 today
Everygrainofsand, finished 4 when bumped carried 9-6 carrying 8-13 todayBased on this my selection would be Everygrainofsand. And as if by magic it won at 6/1.
Would this be correct or have I missed something as surely it cant be that simple???
That’s it mate .. fill yer boots ..
Formath, I am just reading through your homepage what an excellent read .. I really like all that stuff, well done.
I have also read on a few occasions that VDW was in fact Tony Peach .. is that true ??
having quickly revisted the staking plan I am a little confused by stake 3 and why the debit stands at 9. Is this 5 + 3 + 1? but why is stake 4 in credit and debit?
Sorry if I sound completely thick
Does this staking plan have name or a spreasheet to help place the correct bet? and if someone was to use it what size bank would someone require?
I’ve also had a look at your page Formath, very interesting indeed, made me reconsider my preconceptions about VDW
I think the VDW approach to selecting horses is excellent .. but I have grave reservations about the staking and the process of elimination, as it is described in the articles.
In one place he says, ‘if a horses true price is 1/3 and you can get a bet on at 6/4 then you have a good bet’ .. but there is no mention of how to get to that true price .. the elimination process does not and cannot create a tissue, because by default you are saying that horse A is eliminated as a contender because it’s form is 0,0,0 and horse B is included because it’s form is 0,2,5 .. so horse A is no price at all.
The 90% strike rate must be dutched selections ??
Hi onefurlongout,
The clue to the apparent staking mystery is in the line immediately before,in the 2nd VDW letter, where VDW asserts he is trying to make a 1pt profit PER bet.
Therefore after the first bet of 1pt which loses, you are not only 1pt down for the lost stake but also 1pt down on your intended profit – hence the debit of 2pts. After a further loss of 2pts stake, you are now 3pts stake down AND 2pts intended profit, so 5pts in total. This is why he doesn’t stop after the 1st winner, because although he is in profit on the day (taking only stakes into account), to the tune of 2pts, he wants, after 4 bets, to be 4pts or more up. After his 8th bet he achieves this and stops.
Hope that makes it a little clearer mate
Regards
Snow
Hi Snow,
thanks for this it make more sense now (first time I’ve looked at a staking plan). Obviously you have some experience in this area, any ideas what this plan is called or how to do a simple spreadsheet on it?
Hi OFO,
I believe it’s called The Pyramid – but really it doesn’t matter what it’s called. The objective is always to have a bigger stake on your winners than on your losers. It’s a simple ‘add a stake after a loss & take one off after a win’ – please understand I’m not recommending this staking plan, just explaining it to you.
The stop point is when you have won a profit of at least 1pt per bet struck in this example, though there is nothing to stop you making up your own stop point, i.e. stop as soon as in profit or stop after 2pts profit on the day.
A word of warning:- this plan can escalate very quickly if you have 2 or 3 losing runs and only 1 winner between the losing runs;
EG
1pt Loss
2pt Loss
3pt Loss
4pt Loss
5pt Loss
6pt Win @ 6/4 – Running total, 21pts out, 9pts in, Balance -12pts
5pt Loss
6pt Loss
7pt Loss
8pt Loss
9pt Loss
10pt Win @ 2/1 – Running total, 66pts out, 39pts in, Balance -27ptsand so on.
If you fancy a bash at it my advice would be start with a small %age of bank as your unit stake & build in, not only the stop point after a profit that suits you, but also after a certain amount of loss.
Finally I wouldn’t have the first clue how to set up a spreadsheet for this, sorry
Regards
Snow
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