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Fist was probably tipped off by Jonjo, who got the nod from JP.
Joke Fist, Joke.
I don’t say there was any skulduggery involved but I (as someone without a bet) did wonder when I saw the race.
May be it was just a poor ride but for you to say it was "the best possible ride" is crazy.
Didn’t L’Ami almost beat Kauto Star in a slowly run race? Not devoid of speed then is he, no one paced plodder.
RUK did look at the ride too.
I’mnot aiming this at you in particular…..Plus I could have been at the beach today and put it off to watch Binny run so
Now come on Ginge that was jaut one of those days for Kauto Lami has hardly raised a gallop in adecent race since…..ifhe wasany more one paced he would stop..I can just as easily point out he found absolutely nothing at Cheltenham last year when looking like the winner two/three out. Read his form and you will see a string of one paced comments the length of your arm. Maybe they are wrong and you are right FFSI’m interested to have at least one experienced person who has sat on a racehorse to tell us how would they have ridden the horse?
You make a statement and say it was maybe a poor ride but you don’t say what you thought he did wrong……should he have kicked on early and what do you think would have happened if he had?……Does anyone think he did the wrong thing holding the horse together? after all the last time he ran over this same trip he found nothing when his jockey went for him 2 out.
I honestly think sometimes people forget horses are not machines and good jockeys do things at times and they don’t try to work out why. More often than not they get the wrong end of the stick and threads like this start.
The trainer had no axe to grind here she ran three horses on their merits andy they finished almost as predicted…….JT had a look round as any jockey would in any race and all of a sudden SCULLDUGERY!!!
If they wanted to goose the public or the bookies they could have got 8/1 about their cash but the man who owns them wouldn’t be having any of that…….if JP thinks one will win and wants to win 100K then he has the cash to win 100k without risking having the stewards all over his trainers backside……this thread is like bloody Jackanory
BTW what did RUK have to say?……..another statement that tell us nothing
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The trainer had no axe to grind here she ran three horses on their merits
She ??
Are you referring to Enda Bolger Fist ???
L’Ami does not nowadays have a turn of foot but is still capable of staying on well. And all the more reason to go for it sooner.
What should JT have done? Gone for it at the same time Nina did, in the same way Nina did. Not sit almost motionless until his owner companion went clear.
It is probable GC would have won anyway but JT was not to know that at the last.
JT probably did not see a stride at the last and lost ground there. Then got unbalanced and could not respond until Nina had flown. Like I say a poor ride.
RUK looked in to the ride and did not think there was anything wrong but the mere fact they looked at it means there was a question there.
Questions should have been asked as it did not look good. Particularly with L’Ami drifting and Garde Champetre being well backed.
Value Is EverythingI am not sure that L’Ami could have won the race.
I do believe, however, that the jockey of L’Ami made quite sure that he couldn’t accidentally beat his stablemate.
You have it about right Nero; if I felt JT had ridden as well as he possibly could and got beaten then I’d have no issue; but personally the race left a nasty taste in my mouth and not for the first time as regards one of these contests.
To be fair Noel Fehily didn’t cover himself in glory either as Nadover came from miles back to finish fastest of all.
From today’s Racing Post
"A number of people noted that Nina Carberry on Garde Champtere, appeared to be much stronger than JT MacNamara on the owner’s L’Ami in the closing stages of the Cross Country chase. She clearly eats 3 shredded wheat for breakfast"Having watched the re-run of this race 3 times now i have come to the conclusion that "Anybody that knows Anything" about horseracing will
know that L"ami was ridden for 2nd place only! Only a fool would think that
L"ami was ridden to the best of its ability! it was so obvious, i actually laughed, but i dont bet in these Cross country races so the outcome was
as comical as the Stewards that police it!L’Ami does not nowadays have a turn of foot but is still capable of staying on well. And all the more reason to go for it sooner.
What should JT have done? Gone for it at the same time Nina did, in the same way Nina did. Not sit almost motionless until his owner companion went clear.
It is probable GC would have won anyway but JT was not to know that at the last.
JT probably did not see a stride at the last and lost ground there. Then got unbalanced and could not respond until Nina had flown. Like I say a poor ride.
RUK looked in to the ride and did not think there was anything wrong but the mere fact they looked at it means there was a question there.
Questions should have been asked as it did not look good. Particularly with L’Ami drifting and Garde Champetre being well backed.
FFS Garde Champetre is in a different class to Lami in these races and only an idiot would back Lami or someone having a sporting interest……Garde Champetre’s won 4 out of 6 races Lami has won a big fat ZERO out of 20….So all of a sudden what?.Lami is going to sprout wings turn backthe clock and beat a horse whohalf the world knows is better than he is….dead unusual betting Ginge
he horses are so well known you don’t even have to read the form to know which to back. ………. 7/4…..7/1 bar one FFS…The market realated their chances well I thought.
It was a case of if he got round he won…..when you get a race so obvious of course people are going to back a horse that looks like a good thing.
The only question JP asked was how much can you take
L’Ami does not nowadays have a turn of foot but is still capable of staying on well. And all the more reason to go for it sooner.
What should JT have done? Gone for it at the same time Nina did, in the same way Nina did. Not sit almost motionless until his owner companion went clear.
It is probable GC would have won anyway but JT was not to know that at the last.
JT probably did not see a stride at the last and lost ground there. Then got unbalanced and could not respond until Nina had flown. Like I say a poor ride.
RUK looked in to the ride and did not think there was anything wrong but the mere fact they looked at it means there was a question there.
Questions should have been asked as it did not look good. Particularly with L’Ami drifting and Garde Champetre being well backed.
FFS Garde Champetre is in a different class to Lami in these races and only an idiot would back Lami or someone having a sporting interest……Garde Champetre’s won 4 out of 6 races Lami has won a big fat ZERO out of 20….So all of a sudden what?.Lami is going to sprout wings turn backthe clock and beat a horse whohalf the world knows is better than he is….dead unusual betting Ginge
he horses are so well known you don’t even have to read the form to know which to back. ………. 7/4…..7/1 bar one FFS…The market realated their chances well I thought.
It was a case of if he got round he won…..when you get a race so obvious of course people are going to back a horse that looks like a good thing.
The only question JP asked was how much can you take
Grey Dolphin,
Nadover is an dog, only consenting to run on when he feels like it, not Noel’s fault. Did well to get him to run on at all.Fist,
Can you please stop this "FFS" stuff to anyone who disagrees with you. I have a different opinion, I am entitled to that opinion.You say the market was right. Am not going to get in to a discussion on what "form" is. Although I disagree Fist, it does not matter anyway. Any jockey, whether on a 7/4 shot, 8/1 or 100/1shot, should be trying equally hard to win. I thought JT’s effort was poor, along with several trfers and from what Carv says (see above) apparently many more people known to the Racing Post.
Mark
Value Is EverythingFists you are full of it – that race was the most suspicous since the Bowes 2nd string jockey nearly had a heart attack when he thought he was about to overtake Solerina in her last race – whoa boy, whoa.
Mind you, its pretty obvious on balance of form everyone that Solerina had 30lb in hand on Florida Coast, so i suppose by your rationale that makes the result and incident acceptable also?
Fist of Fury wrote: I’m interested to have at least one experienced person who has sat on a racehorse to tell us how would they have ridden the horse?
Not sure if this qualifies, Fist, but I had a friend who owned a youngish ex-racehorse, called Classic something or other; ran only three times, latterly favourite at Lingfield with Neil Callan aboard and virtually last of six. Subsequently sold for peanuts and just for hacking. I tried sitting on it one day and the brute turned quickly, kicked out its hind legs hitting me full in the stomach and lifting me about a foot off the ground. Another inch and it would have been a heart stopper. So though I’ve never actually ridden a racehorse, if I was JP my advice to L’ami’s rider would have been:- "Just make sure the two of you get back in one piece. Don’t worry that I’ve got 100K on the favourite – it’s only money and I’m loaded."
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The problem is, Mark, that Fists is so cock-sure of himself that it is beyond the realms of possibility that he might actually be wrong (or indeed that someone may have a differing opinion). Then again, now I think about it, he has ridden a horse in its work before so he clearly must know everything – how many times has he told the racing world that he is fortunate enough to be able look at the sport from a far better angle?
Just to enlighten you, Fists, McNamara’s ride was looked into by the stewards, though they deemed it to be satisfactory, and it was brought to the attention of RUK viewers by Lydia Hislop via the ‘racing replay’ programme. But I forget, she’s probably never ridden a horse has she?
Journalists, huh, where do they get these things from? Idiots.
You mention the fact that, of the two Enda Bolger horses – that’s the man, rather than his lesser-known sister you seem to have been referring to – it was obvious who should have been backed as one was 7/4, and the other 7/1 (it was 8/1, but you’re impervious to criticism so I won’t bring it up). To be honest you’re probably right, but how likely was JT to cruise by the 7/4 favourite, backed heavily by his owner?
You’ve just disproved your own point. A talent, I grant you.
The statement that connections were simply trying to ‘build L’Ami’s confidence’ goes some way to showing just how little an argument they actually have. Confidence wasn’t seemingly an issue when the horse was run at Punchestown three weeks after its apparently devastating fall, and nor did it have an effect on him when winning a point-to-point and running well behind Dix Villez.
The facts are simple:
– L’Ami travelled into the last fence better than his stablemate
– L’Ami travelled into the last fence in front of his stablemate
– L’Ami’s jockey took two looks over his left shoulder to spot L’Ami’s stablemate
– Having seen L’Ami’s stablemate getting closer, L’Ami’s jockey didn’t move a muscle
– Having seen L’Ami’s stablemate pull clear, L’Ami’s jockey didn’t move a muscle
– Having seen L’Ami’s stablemate establish a lead in the final furlong, Lami’s jockey moved some muscles to close the gap at the line
– Having lost to L’Ami’s stablemate, a conversation was quickly struck up after the line with the jockey of L’Ami’s stablemateYep, you’re right, stunning horsemanship.
I’ve just watched this race, and it stunk.
It’s crying out for one of those ‘fill in the caption’ competitions, with the blank speech bubbles above the jockeys on the freeze frame of them chatting before the last.
JT: "Aren’t you supposed to go on now?"
NC: "Yes. And remember, don’t ride out too vigourously or use your whip until I’m past the finishing line!"
Allegedly, alledgedly….
Geezus Colin don’t strain yourself by giving us your expert opinion will you
You say am so cock sure of myself Equi
What you are saying is I am wrong and that’s kewl but the tone of your post is as ignorant as ever……..How old are you? What do you do for a living, have you ever rode a horse in your life? I ask these questions for a reason Mate because it seems what you are saying is you know better than1, the stewrads,who were happy with the ride and explanation
2. you know better than the media who haven’t exactly been up in arms about the ride, something they lve to do when there is something to talk about.
3. You know better than the trainer who said exactly the same as I said or near enough (after my first post on the subject may I add)
4. you know better than the jockey.who was to try and hold him together as long as possible because he finds nothing under pressure.
I think you are the one who is cock sure of himself…..I’m debating with forum mebers ou aretaking on the racing world and saying you know better.
A blind man could see Lami was outsped and outclassed and if you think Lami was going better than the winner there is no hope for you…never truned out like that when she said go did it…..4 lengths in 5 strides sttles any race mate..but let’s say he was Equi just for the sake of it…..ever heard of Harchibald?..not everyhorse finds a turn of foot you expect when let down and I’m damn sure in his last 20 races under rules lami HAS NOT shown it once..but all of a sudden you got him having the beating of a horse with an excellent turn of foot who has done it loads of times……who BTW never let him out of his sight over the last 1/2 mile of the race and timed it to perfection……….Betya JP was half way to pick up his cash before they jumped the last…..but then he knows his horses better than most.
Now come on Ginge that was jaut one of those days for Kauto Lami has hardly raised a gallop in adecent race since…..ifhe wasany more one paced he would stop..I can just as easily point out he found absolutely nothing at Cheltenham last year when looking like the winner two/three out. Read his form and you will see a string of one paced comments the length of your arm. Maybe they are wrong and you are right FFS
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