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Is it just me or did the jockey look around to check garde champetre was behind him then not ride or use the whip until it had gone 3L past him?
I didnt even bet in the race but that looks suspicous.
No it didn’t look suspicious…. not even remotely………winner produced a fine turn of foot and put 3 lengths between himself and the second in a matter of strides. There wasn’t much between how well they were both going but the winner looked to have slightly more in the tank at the second last and Lami simply doesn’t quicken……….no sculldugery there mate all in your imagination.
Is it just me or did the jockey look around to check garde champetre was behind him then not ride or use the whip until it had gone 3L past him?
I didnt even bet in the race but that looks suspicous.
No it didn’t look suspicious…. not even remotely………winner produced a fine turn of foot and put 3 lengths between himself and the second in a matter of strides. There wasn’t much between how well they were both going but the winner looked to have slightly more in the tank at the second last and Lami simply doesn’t quicken……….no sculldugery there mate all in your imagination.
I don’t think its all in my imagination because about 10 people in this thread had the same thoughts as me.
L’ami wasnt even whipped until garde was 3L clear of him! If L’ami was asked to kick on when he had a 2L lead about 2F out then i think the result would have been different. Seemed very tender handling until garde was clear of him then he used the whip a little when it was all too late.
Fist – you never have a bad word to say about any ride/jockey
Of course I do David but I just don’t cry over spilled milk.
This isn’t a case of a bad ride some are insinuating a dodgy ride which is a tottaly different ball game.
To my eyes McNamara seemed to have trouble changing his whip-hand and got a trifle unbalanced as a result. Not a particularly satisfying effort IMO, but these races are there only as a novelty and not to be taken seriously as a betting medium, much like the Grand Military Gold Cup
the right horse won
Is it just me or did the jockey look around to check garde champetre was behind him then not ride or use the whip until it had gone 3L past him?
I didnt even bet in the race but that looks suspicous.
No it didn’t look suspicious…. not even remotely………winner produced a fine turn of foot and put 3 lengths between himself and the second in a matter of strides. There wasn’t much between how well they were both going but the winner looked to have slightly more in the tank at the second last and Lami simply doesn’t quicken……….no sculldugery there mate all in your imagination.
I don’t think its all in my imagination because about 10 people in this thread had the same thoughts as me.
L’ami wasnt even whipped until garde was 3L clear of him! If L’ami was asked to kick on when he had a 2L lead about 2F out then i think the result would have been different. Seemed very tender handling until garde was clear of him then he used the whip a little when it was all too late.
If it wasn’t not your your imagination you are one very bad judge. There was nothing untoward about it. There was no stewards enquiry and it’s not as if they weren’t watching the race that unfolded right in front of their noses.
No cry of fix from the bookmakers, no journalists even hinting anything was out of place only you and those who decided to join in the tittle tattle.
We even gor Mr.West telling us they were out to have a touch on the trifecta
….pathetic thread.Incidetally since I posted last I see the trainer said Lami just doesn’t have the toe of Garde Champetre…sorta falls in with what I said because my friend that’s what happened………Asfar as the tender handling you mention is concerned Lami finds about next to nothing when let down.
It’s like now your telling the guy how to ride JT did a great job of holding the horse together and he has won on him in the past so knows what he is like…He scraped home by a neck on him when odds on probaly due toteh fact he’s a one paced old sod..incidentally it’s ok saying kick 2 or 3 lengths clear but all that achieves with a horse like him is to get him off the bridle and possibly decrease your chances not increase them depending on the horse..the guys a pro and gave the horse the best possible ride IMO
Sorry Fist, I got it wrong with my "pathetic post" about the jocks wangling for the trifecta. Of course, it was a handicap, so they must have been after the tricast.
The finish was not unlike those at Lucksin Downs, where the virtual jockey on the outsider stands up in the stirrups looking behind until the favourite sweeps by to nod him on the line.”If it wasn’t not your your imagination you are one very bad judge.”
Is that because you are automatically correct which means im wrong?
People see things differently and have different opinions. If you have your rose tinted spectacles on and never see anything wrong with any rides/trainers tactics etc as someone has already stated about you in this thread then thats up to you. I’m aware however that things like this happen so if i spot something which i deem strange i’m not afraid to say it.
As someone else said it’s very possible JT got unbalanced and couldnt change his whip hand effectively which resulted in the tame looking effort 2F out. This is most likely the case but because the winner was his stablemate and the favourite then its only right questions are asked.
Fist was probably tipped off by Jonjo, who got the nod from JP.
Joke Fist, Joke.
I don’t say there was any skulduggery involved but I (as someone without a bet) did wonder when I saw the race.
May be it was just a poor ride but for you to say it was "the best possible ride" is crazy.
Didn’t L’Ami almost beat Kauto Star in a slowly run race? Not devoid of speed then is he, no one paced plodder. Found plenty against Trabolgan in the Hennessy too. May be he is not so good nowadays in ability or temperament but he should have got a better ride from the last. If he doesn’t find a lot in front , why be in front so far out?
His trainer is not going to aggrevate the owner by saying "we should’ve won", is he?
RUK did look at the ride too.
Mark
Value Is Everything”If it wasn’t not your your imagination you are one very bad judge.”
Is that because you are automatically correct which means im wrong?
Yes!!!
If you have your rose tinted spectacles on
What a dreadful thing to say about Fist, when everyone knows that his glasses are actually tinted with green and gold hoops !
Agree with FoF here. Didn’t think there was too much wrong with the ride. Enda Bolger stated before the race that they are still trying to build L’Ami’s confidence over the fences. The horse suffered a horrendous fall at Liverpool and it is very likely that his experience in the National is still fresh in his mind. Bearing this in mind, it was clear that JT did not want to knock him about or give him a hard race that would leave its mark on the horse.
Agree with FoF here. Didn’t think there was too much wrong with the ride. Enda Bolger stated before the race that they are still trying to build L’Ami’s confidence over the fences. The horse suffered a horrendous fall at Liverpool and it is very likely that his experience in the National is still fresh in his mind. Bearing this in mind, it was clear that JT did not want to knock him about or give him a hard race that would leave its mark on the horse.
But IC,
But there were no more fences to be jumped in the piece of riding we are talking about. You mean giving the horse one or two flicks with the whip or being a little more vigorous from the last would constitute a "hard race".
Mark
Value Is EverythingThe relative merits of JT and Nina is pretty irrelevant IMO. JT should have known better than anyone that the race had been run at a crawl and therefore should have been more aware than to allow Garde Champetre first run to the tune of 5 seconds!
Call the RSPCA if you choose, but when my money is down I expect the jockey to whip the brains out of the animal. No, I don’t mean that; in fact, of late, I seem to have noticed more jockeys tending towards a windmill approach to whipping which I thought was frowned upon. If my memory serves me right Davey Condon seems to be an exponent of this style.
It was holding ground though Mark and the horse had been on the sharp end of the pace for the guts of 3 and a half miles. JT was not hard on the horse but that was to be expected. I personally think that if he’d have kicked on when Garde Champetre came to him he’d have been beaten further. L’Ami is not the same horse that he once was and his fall at Liverpool has a lot to do with this. He only scrambled home in a point at Kilsheelan in October for JT and it’s very possible he’s got his own thoughts about the game nowadays.
….pathetic thread.
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