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Even if the Derby was a "hard race" for crying out loud Authorized is a race horse. Look at Kauto Star / Exotic Dancer last jumps season they didn’t get wrapped in cotton wool and I challenge anybody to tell me that their slogs at 2 1/2 – 3 miles are "easier races" than one and a quarter / half mile flat races.
Of course the major (and quite significant) flaw in that arguement is the fact Kauto Star and co and relaxed geldings….the likes of Authorised etc are not. One wrong race at the wrong time can easily turn a horse off the game and regardless of when his next race is if the horse has had too much too soon and lost his enjoyment of racing he is as good as gone.
Even if the Derby was a "hard race" for crying out loud Authorized is a race horse. Look at Kauto Star / Exotic Dancer last jumps season they didn’t get wrapped in cotton wool and I challenge anybody to tell me that their slogs at 2 1/2 – 3 miles are "easier races" than one and a quarter / half mile flat races.
Of course the major (and quite significant) flaw in that arguement is the fact Kauto Star and co and relaxed geldings….the likes of Authorised etc are not. One wrong race at the wrong time can easily turn a horse off the game and regardless of when his next race is if the horse has had too much too soon and lost his enjoyment of racing he is as good as gone.
The same could’ve been said of all the greats of the past. Absolute tosh. I’m sick and tired of people trying to find excuses for the neglect of our top races whilst a horse like Authorized will probably never win a race again due to ludicrous decision making. Its Motivator all over again.
Why bother racing horses at all? Just win a maiden by five lengths and send them straight to stud to protect their stud value.
Sorry not meaning to come across like a pompous, moaning git but drives me crazy. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Our top races are falling by the wayside because of this nonsense and horses like Authorized are not being helped one bit.
Flash I can understand your frustration about the lack of a top king george but think of it from another angle. If the field was identical but with authorized in it and he won, what would it prove? very little is what it would prove. Everyone would whine that he hadnt beat anything of note and he still had to prove himself. Conversly if he was beaten he would be written off completely.
I wouldnt race him, so called "prestige" of the KG or otherwise!
The same could’ve been said of all the greats of the past.
You mean those greats that rarely raced as 4 year olds on wards? You talk about being packed off to stud….far more horses are kept in training and given proper campaigns were as most of the previous greats were all shipped off to stud at three…..ah yes the past is alway better when it comes to racing or that is how alot of people want us to think.
The likes of Galileo, Alamshar etc in recent years that have completed in the King George have been well and truely fecked by the end of their 3 year old season. Its no surprise that the likes of High Chaparral trained on so well as a 4 year old after missing the King George. The stats speak for themselves these days…even mature horses like hurricane run have not been able to win since the King George and indeed looked really out of love with the game. The King George is a different type of race in a different race programme.
Flash I can understand your frustration about the lack of a top king george but think of it from another angle. If the field was identical but with authorized in it and he won, what would it prove? very little is what it would prove. Everyone would whine that he hadnt beat anything of note and he still had to prove himself. Conversly if he was beaten he would be written off completely.
I wouldnt race him, so called "prestige" of the KG or otherwise!
Thats another argument though you can only beat whats in front of you. Soldier Of Fortune should’ve run as well, add him and Authorized to the field and the King George takes on a new dimension – the one it is meant to a meeting of the generations. It takes a good horse to beat Dylan Thomas three or four lengths, one of them does that and they’re suddenly rated above 130 and their reputation well and truely enhanced.
Three year olds get beat so be it thats racing, true champions will succeed also rans will fail thats what its all about. The sport of racing is bigger than any particular horse or owner. If we don’t support our British races, British racing will suffer because of it.
The same could’ve been said of all the greats of the past.
You mean those greats that rarely raced as 4 year olds on wards? You talk about being packed off to stud….far more horses are kept in training and given proper campaigns were as most of the previous greats were all shipped off to stud at three…..ah yes the past is alway better when it comes to racing or that is how alot of people want us to think.
The likes of Galileo, Alamshar etc in recent years that have completed in the King George have been well and truely fecked by the end of their 3 year old season. Its no surprise that the likes of High Chaparral trained on so well as a 4 year old after missing the King George. The stats speak for themselves these days…even mature horses like hurricane run have not been able to win since the King George and indeed looked really out of love with the game. The King George is a different type of race in a different race programme.
Where was Galileo fecked? In the Breeders Cup? Thats a totally different thing that taking on the Americans on alien terms.
Alamshar was never a "Champion". Good horse yes but never that good.
Hurricane Run seemed to develop his own ideas about the game but why blame the King George? A convenient excuse? Why not blame the Arc, he was never the same horse after that.
The sport of racing is bigger than any particular horse or owner. If we don’t support our British races, British racing will suffer because of it.
Problem is racing has gone so much more global now with other targets. Even between these two islands the Irish Champion Stakes is arguably on par with the King George in terms of quality, the French have a Group 1 for 3 year olds while the Arc’s draw is getting bigger and bigger every year…
You say racing is big than an individual but in truth it is bigger than a nation. thats the problem with britain, when change appears on the horizon we pine over days past when we were more important.
like it or not the arc is now far more important for 3 year olds than the KG. it may or may not damage horses but most owners now just don’t want to risk it! and why should they!
He may very well get stuck in the mud, but I have stick with Dylan.
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Why has no King George winner since Montjeu ever won another race? And he only ‘won’ an exercise gallop Prix Foy. Is it just a fluke?
First the Derby now the King George. Horses can’t win a race if they run in one of those two races.
Give me an example, I’ll give you tens of examples that prove otherwise.
I’m sorry but this is just getting silly now.
Last Derby winner to win a race afterwards was High Chaparral….he missed the King George.
For me I dont think the Derby is a problem…I just dont understand why they dont take in the Irish Derby afterwards…take a break and come back for something like the Juddmonte or Irish Champion if they want to go the 1m2f route. At least then they’ll have a fresh horse for the big targets later in the season.
Last Derby winner to win a race afterwards was High Chaparral….he missed the King George.
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High Chaparral was a very good horse. Horses like North Light weren’t. Derby winners aren’t lining up in the King George with anything like the regularity that they used to or should be.
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