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July 22, 2009 at 17:53 #240463
In the same interview he clearly said the bump effected him in the race (and said in other quotes to have come back very sore and very stiff from the Irish Derby) and also said his best trip is 1m4f.
July 22, 2009 at 18:02 #240465There may be a doubt about Ask’s participation.
Reportedly pulled up a bit short on the gallops.
Colin
July 22, 2009 at 21:12 #240492Moore opts to ride Conduit.
Colin
July 22, 2009 at 21:29 #240497AnonymousInactive- Total Posts 17716
Surprise surprise I think that’s the 3rd time in 3 days he said he was going to.
And tomorrows headlines in the racing post:
"Moore may change his mind if it snows"
July 22, 2009 at 22:48 #240503Anyone know what the Ballydoyle riding arrangements are?
I’m going to have a throw away fiver on Frozen Fire. I think he wants to go right handed and needs a stiff galloping track. The race will in my opinion be run at a decent clip and that can only help him. His pedigree backs that up.
Everyone knows he is a monkey but if everything falls right for him, which it looks like it could, he could look a decent price on saturday evening.
July 23, 2009 at 04:05 #240530Aragorn I think Frozen Fire could be a fly in the ointment here. Everyone has suddenly written him off, that could be dangerous and the race may be run to suit.
July 23, 2009 at 13:50 #240553Ask, reportedly OK, stepped on a stone, intended runner.
Colin
July 24, 2009 at 01:21 #240634Johnny Murtagh – Golden Sword
Seamus Heffernan – Frozen Fire
Colm O’Donoghue – RockhamptonJuly 24, 2009 at 04:56 #240653Conduit has the best form, dual G1 winner of a very good Leger renewal and probably best Leger in years, easily picked off his rivals at Santa Anita ran ok at Sandown but not fantastic, had to be disappointed with the pace that was set, although he should come on for it, Moore had to pick him as he has the G1’s in the bag.
Tartan Bearer comparing his Derby run to the Coronation Cup, he would have beat that lot up by 1-2 length, underrated run in The Derby and Ascot for 1m4f will probably play to his strengths follows an interesting trend that Golan was 2nd and 3rd like Tartan Bearer in his Derby runs before going on to win the Ascot showpiece. Disappointing I thought in the PoW but he didn’t really have the race to suit him.
Golden Sword, very tough and a horse you have to like cause he shows guts, held in high regard it seems at Ballydoyle and will have the pace set up for him and not stablemate Frozen Fire shows who they think is the best horse, but he has had some very hard races, The Curragh race was pretty brutal pace wise so has he recovered to race well here. Deserves success though.
Look Here, starting to get outbattled, don’t think she has reached the heights of her Oaks run, not going to get a fast pace she’d want, although her run at Epsom looked very promising and was pretty remarkable at the time how she never won it, she has to hope the ground comes up very fast, but she is a contender.
Ask , very good value, although Moore disregarded him pretty quick and seemed never in contention to be ridden by him, but having Peslier on board is a huge plus, think he needs soft ground though to have any chance of beating his stablemates and would rather have a strong gallop, he could be pretty vulnerable to a type that could quicken.
Frozen Fire, not the best Irish Derby winner we have seen but his runs he had genuine excuses, surely to be held up this time he would want a fast pace but not even Ballydoyle wont give him that, he doesn’t look the winner.
Alwaary I’m actually a fan of, he could make a good 4 year old next season, and I think he could actually run a big race here, very unlucky last time out. Could spring a place shock.
Scintillo, fair horse but he looks out of his depth here.
Rockhampton, if your name has Rock at Ballydoyle now a days seems your going to be pacemaker.
July 24, 2009 at 04:59 #240654I am always aching to back a 3yo in the KG, mainly due to some shrewd comments from Lester and other jockeys some years ago.
The race profile has changed in recent years but not the conditions and I am still attracted to the younger generation. Despite being a fan of Golden Sword and having a profitable season following him…I just don’t like his profile for this. I am not sure about a strong pace, despite the presence of Rockhampton
The Lingfield Derby trial was regarded as a poor renewal straight after but other than AoA’s moderate run in the Derby the form is growing stronger.
The KG has a good field in terms of achievement, but without a superstar, and I will have another swing wth Alwaary, who I believe must be improving fast having viewed his recent races and given the change in his stated objectives since the winners enclosure at Goodwood.July 24, 2009 at 05:13 #240656Frozen Fire, not the best Irish Derby winner we have seen but his runs he had genuine excuses, surely to be held up this time he would want a fast pace but not even Ballydoyle wont give him that, he doesn’t look the winner.
Ummm?
July 24, 2009 at 11:01 #240663my points system
138 golden sword
137 ask
136 conduit
131 tartan bearer
128 frozen fire
126 look here
118 rockhampton
116 alwaary
112 scintillowill back golden sword to win
and ask ewJuly 24, 2009 at 12:03 #240671Rockhampton is unlikely to be able to go hard from the start to the home turn …….. I’d imagine they might try and repeat the tactics used in the Grand Prix De Paris but wind it up a little more slowly in the hope that the pacemaker will take Johnny further.
July 24, 2009 at 13:35 #240683i think that they will go a good galop its the better tactic they can use
because that tactic will suit golden sword like in the irish derby and will suit frozen fire too
if they go slow they will ruin frozen fire chancesexpect t a nice pace tommorow and no excuses if favourites doesnt win
July 24, 2009 at 14:37 #240691Conduit wins for mine. No need to go over old ground about why as everything’s been mentioned in this thread.
I’m expecting a comprehensive victory with something in hand. It’ll confirm what we already know about his top-class status, but it would take a 6-length romp for me to take serious note. (From an Arc perspective, of which I’m unsure if he’s an intended runner?)
The field behind him is uninspiring. I don’t have time for Golden Sword or Frozen Fire as they are not the best 1m4f horses AOB has to offer IMO.
For some value, I’m all over Alwaary @ 16/1. He could have blitzed the Princess of Wales’ field without the heavy interference, and then managed to find his gears again to finish off fast. That would’ve warranted a single-figure quote so I’m taking my chances here E-W.
Wary of Look Here and any market moves for her.
July 24, 2009 at 20:56 #2407602/1 the fav with paddy p. i’ll have some of that, surely cannot get any bigger.
July 24, 2009 at 21:01 #2407622/1 the fav with paddy p. i’ll have some of that, surely cannot get any bigger.
I’d be getting worried that something isn’t quite right if he gets any bigger than that. Its a big price considering he is 13/8 in other places. Have to admit I’ve taken the 2’s as well.
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