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Enjoyable as it was to watch, did we actually learn much from that race, other than Conduit was clearly in good heart when cuffed in the Eclipse?
Are you telling us or asking us Friggo?.
SMS clearly stated the horse wasn’t at his best at the Eclipse and whatever he did today he would be a better horse in the Autumn.
There’s way too much Seathestarsitis on here
Seriously though there are a couple of ways at looking at this.
Golden Sword was an AOB outsider for the Derby and it could be he really isn’t that good and was flattered by his proximity to Sea the Stars. If he was then the fact Conduit beat him about 8 lengths today means nothing.
However if he was flattered was Fame and Glory also flattered when he beat Golden Sword? Because if the former is to be believed Fame and Glory has beat sweet nothing in the Irish Derby.
Personally I have never rated Golden Sword very highly and the Derby was a complete farce. My only concern today is AOB would turn this race into a farce as well.
In a normal Derby I doubt if he would have got within 5 or 6 lengths of the winner and all lines through Golden Sword should really be ignored.
Golden Sword has been touted as a St Leger horse for some time now but I’m damned if I can see where people get that from.
I am still not convinced this years crop is that good and there nothing SMS need to fear in the Arc. The outstanding performer has been Sea the Stars and someone should tell Bosranic he won’t run in the Arc
Without being influenced by SMS’s words I thought Conduit still looked a bit undercooked today. He took a bit of time to get into top gear and wasn’t travelling as well as Tartan Bearer coming off the home turn. Once he got going the result was never in doubt and he’s certainly improved ffor the trip and his run in the Eclipse..
I sincerely doubt if Fame and Glory could quite handle him off a strong gallop in the Arc. I’ve always thought he lacks just that little bit of Zip when it comes to finishing speed…Ask has been in top form this year and was beaten 3 3/4 lengths in last years Arc. If SMS is correct and the best is still to come from Conduit he must be a huge threat to all in the Arc. Thankfully I grabbed the 14/1 about him as he is now half those odds and another win like today’s and he’ll shorten up even more and it will take a bloody good horse to beat him in France.
Tartan Bearer stayed on better thn I thought he would and got the trip well. I don’t know if he would in a really strong run race but he certainly did today. At first glance I thought he tried to bite Ask but when I looked again it was Conduit’s backside that smcked him on the nose and threw his head to the side. RM got a harsh ban as Ian points out.
"I sincerely doubt if Fame and Glory could quite handle him off a strong gallop in the Arc. I’ve always thought he lacks just that little bit of Zip when it comes to finishing speed." – Fist
F&G needs a strong gallop, which he will get in the Arc. Also to his liking (or at least more than firmish ground) is a soft surface. With a proper pace, he would have been closer to Sea The Stars at Epsom and on that run alone (with improvement need) he could take a big hand in an Arc.
"Ask has been in top form this year and was beaten 3 3/4 lengths in last years Arc. If SMS is correct and the best is still to come from Conduit he must be a huge threat to all in the Arc. Thankfully I grabbed the 14/1 about him as he is now half those odds and another win like today’s and he’ll shorten up even more and it will take a bloody good horse to beat him in France." – Fist
I agree totally, also, there’s the added fact that he’ll be at his peak (or near it) at Arc time.
I am still not convinced this years crop is that good and there nothing SMS need to fear in the Arc. The outstanding performer has been Sea the Stars and someone should tell Bosranic he won’t run in the Arc
I think connections of Sea The Stars are trying their utmost to keep him unbeaten this season, so you can’t blame them for dodging Longchamp with Fame And Glory in opposition.
Conduit is an outstanding older horse, no question, but I just have this feeling the Arc won’t suit. Actually, if he’s targeted at the race, I’d be more inclined to have a flutter on Tartan Bearer, who gives the impression that the race will be more than ideal.
There’s little doubt that Ryan will choose Conduit, but who would ride any potential Stoute second string? When does Mr Fallon’s ban expire?
I, too, had a peak at Conduit’s price for the Arc before the race. I thought ‘Why back Conduit @14s when I’ve already backed the winner @12s?’
One of the other deciding factors when backing Fame and Glory was that Aiden O’Brien appeared to have very little else in the form of a top class Arc prospect. You just knew that once the Irish Derby was out of the way, this horses entire season was going to be planned with Longchamp in mind.
I always felt that Golden Sword was slightly flattered by his previous efforts, but considered him a potential Leger horse. He performed like a horse who would benefit from a step up in trip, but he looks a bit exposed now and the less exposed types in the field make greater appeal.
Conduit actually would have liked that gallop set, and was surprised that Ballydoyle went this way after two defeats already using a fast pace, thought Rockhampton would have bunched them. Arc will be the next route, he has showed he can handle soft ground so that shouldn’t be a problem and he still looks big at his current price. There is going to be a fast pace set so he has a huge chance.
Tartan Bearer really needs held up at the back of the field with cover, his best runs were ran this way so you have to really question the tactics Stoute had here having him up high in midfield. The sideway view showed Tartan getting a second wind after being passed before he had had to be snatched up after Moore cut across him so his backers could feel they were unlucky. I think they will take him to Santa Anita, seems logical if Conduit is off to France.
Conduit beat Golden Sword by 8l.
Fame And Glory beat Golden Sword 5l however that was under hands and heels.
I backed Ask and was pleased with run – a bit more cut would have probably seen him go even closer.
The first four home all ran blinders so huge credit to SMS for getting them there in such fettle – a superb training performance.
Alwaary stepped up and looks to be improving so 8-1 for the Leger looks an e/w steal.
Cracking race
The commentator on the track immediately after the race said the stewards inquiry was probably between the second and third.Tartan Bearer seemed to hang into Ask; he justified. It was plain who the guilty party was from the video! While Clair Balding the "punters voice" said to Stouty about the inquiry and I paraphrase " I don’t suppose the outcome makes any difference since both are in the same ownership" Stouty wisely did not reply . The outcome was of some l importance to the punters and the breeders of the winner(the Aga Khan,I believe); but Clair was just so excited that Stouty had won. Everyone was so happy I wondered what exactly their job is.
Ryan Moore gets a three day ban on Conduit can someone explain why? Whip in correct hand, what on earth was Moore meant to do? Ludicrous!!
You have to look at the head on and the side view, then you will understand, this was Cashlegar vs Glass Harmonium all over again, they had to take some action imo.
Ryan Moore gets a three day ban on Conduit can someone explain why? Whip in correct hand, what on earth was Moore meant to do? Ludicrous!!
You have to look at the head on and the side view, then you will understand, this was Cashlegar vs Glass Harmonium all over again, they had to take some action imo.
I’ve seen that view. Again I ask you – what was Moore meant to do?
He had his whip in his correct hand for some time and did everything he could to keep the horses straight. Short of getting off the horse and picking him up and moving him what on earth could Ryan do?
I’m not saying there wasn’t a little bit of interferance (marginal as it was) but how the hell was the jockey to blame in any way, shape or form?
These sort of bans are just pointless.
Great endorsement for Vision d’Etat, but I’m not convinced Tartan Bearer is a 1m4f horse. Interference aside, I thought he peaked for stamina a furlong out but held his place due to his toughness.
Alwaary will reach the upper echelon of middle-distance horses sometime next year. This was a promising preview of things to come.
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Great endorsement for Vision d’Etat, but I’m not convinced Tartan Bearer is a 1m4f horse. Interference aside, I thought he peaked for stamina a furlong out but held his place due to his toughness.
Alwaary will reach the upper echelon of middle-distance horses sometime next year. This was a promising preview of things to come.
Tartan Bearer will consistantly do what he is doing if he runs unril he’s 12 years old. He’s a horse who seems to always run well but just lacks that little bit of extra pace to see him through.
I wouldn’t take too much from the fact Vision d’Etat beat Tartan Bearer it was a funny old race that with 4 of them finishing very closely together.
Henry Cecils was beaten under a length and that is nothing to write home about.Don’t forget Vision d’Etat has run in the Arc and finished very close to the fast finishing Ask. I don’t know that Vision d’Etat has improved much since then but Ask has been running out of his skin the saeson. With no 3yo allowance this season backing fully exposed Vision d’Etat in the Arc would be the furthest thing from my mind.
Despite Vision d’Etat having beaten Tartan Bearer I think more praise should be directed at Conduit who we have yet to see the best of
Conduit actually would have liked that gallop set, and was surprised that Ballydoyle went this way after two defeats already using a fast pace, thought Rockhampton would have bunched them. Arc will be the next route, he has showed he can handle soft ground so that shouldn’t be a problem and he still looks big at his current price. There is going to be a fast pace set so he has a huge chance.
The field did race as a bunch because after the initial dawdle they effectively ignored Rockhampton. Not sure what Tom Segal is talking about in today’s Post. Unbelievably, he states Golden Sword went for home two furlongs too early. Yes, we could all see the scenario of Golden Sword producing a blistering turn of foot inside the final furlong? The man must be in cuckoo land.
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Wouldn’t have won if they cut a 2 sections of running rail away and let him cut 2 furlongs of the distance he had to travel
They have to write about something Stilvi or they would nbe out of a jobAlwaary stepped up and looks to be improving so 8-1 for the Leger looks an e/w steal.
Alwaary is the one that has gone into my notebook from the race. I thought he ran a blinder and looks to be learning fast. He’ll be getting better. I can see him staying in training as a 4 Y O.
Coolmors horses were a substanderd bumch, Frozen Fire is a ratty beast,NH breeders are welcome too the creature, I have never liked him, I am not a fan of Montjeu’s they are barking mad and are all legs, that and they dont seem too train on that well. Golden Sword looks a group two horse at best, get him flogged off too too Hong Kong or Macau.
Conduit wins his race using his cruising speed then having the stamina too too keep on when the rest of them hit the brick wall. He is an out and out stayer, not a pretty colour, but he is dour and can get down and dirty.
Scintillo ran like a drain, Look Here ddnt seem too fire, Alwary ran a good race, he is a dynaformer and will be a better horse next year.
The coolmore stallion pimps went toe too toe with the ballymacoll broodmares and got a twating despite weight of numbers in the coolmore stallions favour, class not numbers carries the day gentlemen..
Not all bad news for coolmore, Saddlers Wells was the sire of the third hoime and broodmare sire of the winner, the also stand the full brother of the second horse.
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Alwaary stepped up and looks to be improving so 8-1 for the Leger looks an e/w steal.
Alwaary is the one that has gone into my notebook from the race. I thought he ran a blinder and looks to be learning fast. He’ll be getting better. I can see him staying in training as a 4 Y O.
I agree, lovely balanced horse and while he didn’t quite have the speed of Conduit he ran on really well. If he keeps improving I can see him coming back for the race next year with a big chance unless we get another Nijinsky coming along. There can’t be many better 3 year olds who will stay in training
I was more impressed by Vision D’Etat than Conduit in the Ascot G1’s, Vision D’Etat clearly did him with a very fast turn of foot, the BBC replays of the KG, the result would have been much closer if not for the Moore leaning into Tartan Bearer till the point he had to be totally snatched up and Moore shouldn’t have done that if Kinane’s mount is not giving him the racing line, this why Moore got banned, the 1.75l I think really flatters Conduit
If they meet at 1m2f I would take Vision D’Etat every time but Arc is 1m4f and clearly Vision D’Etat I think would may struggle with the distance. I would have COnduit as a more likely winner of the Arc.
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