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  • #12526
    no idea
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    I know this will upset a lot of Fallon fans, however I read in todays Daily Mirror that Gerard Butler stated that the return of Fallon on Friday is very good for racing and it will ignite things and that we need superstars very badly. I assume here he means Fallon.

    Personally being a father of 2 young children I would not be asking my kids to look up to a person banned from racing for taking illegal substances when there is such a huge drug problem not only on this country but around the world.

    I try to tell my kids not to get involved in any kind of drugs and not be friends with kids that take drugs.

    Then to take them racing and ask them to watch a "superstar" who was banned for taking illegal substances would be to my mind, hypocritical.

    I know he is a good jockey and that cannot be doubted however racing should not be looking to him to get new racegoers.

    Just my opinion,

    #246594
    Venusian
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    Unfortunately, there must be very few sports which don’t have a star or two who’ve been done for taking class A drugs.

    If you tried to avoid attending all those sports, there would be really very little you

    could

    go to.

    I don’t think going to a race meeting where KF is riding is going to to anyone any harm. Clearly, he needs to show he’s finished with all that nonsense, but it’s not as though "racing" is saying, "Come and see Fallon ride again, he’s great because he used to take a lot of cocaine".

    Btw, it’s Kieren not Keiran.

    #246595
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    Venusian, firstly apologies for the spelling of the forename.

    Secondly I do not doubt that other sports have persons who have taken drugs, however I do not think they welcome them back with the same fanfare that racing is doing with Fallon, likening them to superstars.

    The name escapes me know of the British sprinter who has recently returned after a drugs ban, but every time I read about him or see coverage of him on TV, he is not hailed as some superstar, quite the contrary.

    #246600
    yorkshirepudding
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    He is great rider but a bloody scroat, a life ban is what he should have been given a life ban.

    The fact he was allowed too ride in ireland was a disgrace. Lord Derbys mar lost the Irish champion stakes because the dirty little person flogged the hide off the coolmore nag too win, i doubt any other jock would have not got the animal up. The authoritys should strip Dylan Thomas of the win and tell coolmore too cough the purse money and trophy, if they dont, kick the animal out of the stud book.

    #246615
    deltaman
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    Zzzzzzzzzz!

    #246617
    andyod
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    here we go again.Brilliant analysis of that race whatever it was with Lord what’shisname and his wonderful little mare going over to ireland to be robbed by the local gentry and that little faggot beating the crap out of something or other before going on to Paris to do the same in France(or was that the next year?). Really a shame that the mare did not respond more manfully and win at Leopardstown.Am sure his Lordship must have been frightfully disappointed.

    #246620
    Neil Watson
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    First and foremost Kieren is a cracking rider and one of the best in the business.

    Sure he has had his demons and even now you can not be 100% that this next incarnation of his career will go smoothy as something could easily occur like getting a ban through careless riding or excess use of the whip in a race.

    The fact that so much has happened to him is what draws people because he is who he is, Like with Ronnie O’Sullivan in snooker you know he has a wealth of talent yet he can occasionally go off the rails and follow a more darker path.

    I cannot wait for Fallon to return, Racing needs characters like this because it is what makes this sport so fascinating and brilliant to watch.

    #246621
    yorkshirepudding
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    Next time you get in a cab driven by a drunk driver you might get an idea of the type of danger put his fellow jockies and their mounts into… :P

    #246622
    wallace-no7
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    He was allowed to ride in Ireland as the Turf Club rightly pointed out in a round about way that the BHA as usual were talking s""te.

    Yes but didnt you know Spencer gave in….he owed Coolmore this one after all his F**8s ups before……you should really try and produce a British Jockey that is top class as there wouldnt be such Paddy SkullDuggery involved in the Group 1s :twisted: :evil: :P

    #246626
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    I know this will upset a lot of Fallon fans, however I read in todays Daily Mirror that Gerard Butler stated that the return of Fallon on Friday is very good for racing and it will ignite things and that we need superstars very badly. I assume here he means Fallon.

    Personally being a father of 2 young children I would not be asking my kids to look up to a person banned from racing for taking illegal substances when there is such a huge drug problem not only on this country but around the world.

    I try to tell my kids not to get involved in any kind of drugs and not be friends with kids that take drugs.

    Then to take them racing and ask them to watch a "superstar" who was banned for taking illegal substances would be to my mind, hypocritical.

    I know he is a good jockey and that cannot be doubted however racing should not be looking to him to get new racegoers.

    Just my opinion,

    Not everyone that does a the occasional line of cocaine will turn out a hopeless junkie, much in the same way that not everyone who enjoys a bet, say, a couple of times a week will become addicted to gambling, although familiarity can be detrimental to the weak and susceptible. In any case, who’d take the moral high ground in the scum bag stakes, I ask?

    Simple way round this would be to NOT tell your budding young gambling addict fledglings about Kieren’s ban for using cocaine. That way, they can grow up blissfully unaware of Kierens woe, and quite possibly become the next generation of ‘new improved’ drug-free degenerate gamblers.

    Whopeeeee! :D

    Just my opinion.

    #246648
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    I have no real problem with the substance abuse and actually thought the sentence a bit harsh

    Its the company he keeps and has kept that is the problem. Its not an offence to spend time and drink with cartoon gangsters but its bloody stupid in a sport with such a rackety image. The last thing Racing will need now is another story about KF and some betfair robbing south london scrap metal dealer.

    Too much is made of jockeys appeal in this game. There isnt as much between the best as is often made out and basically they are boring little dwarfs

    #246663
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    Too much is made of jockeys appeal in this game. There isnt as much between the best as is often made out and basically they are boring little dwarfs

    Harder than dwarfs: it’s tough sorting out your jockey Happy from Sleepy, not to mention substance-abused Dopey.

    What you say is true, in the main, but doesn’t account for the massive public obsession with a handful of controversial riders down the centuries, whether we’re talking Fred Archer, Tod Sloan, Lester Piggott – or Fallon in our own day. Like them or loathe them, they have been and are compelling personalities, despite laconic manners and shifty reputations.

    "Yankee Doodle Dandee: The Life and Times of Tod Sloan"

    (ISBN: 0300083343 / 0-300-08334-3) by John Dizikes, is one of the best books concerning this strange phenomenon – and racing in general – that I’ve read.

    #246695
    Neil Watson
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    How many people take their kids to watch Premiership Football.

    People earning 20k to 180k plus a week and in return Marry Gorgeous Women then cheat on them,Allegations of Drug taking,Looking through Bar Staffs Purses and Bags in Nightclubs to steal money,Buying New Cars then crashing them,Allegations of Gang Rape and fighting in Nightclubs.

    Proper role models for the younger people of today.

    #246698
    wordfromthewise
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    He is great rider but a bloody scroat, a life ban is what he should have been given a life ban.

    The fact he was allowed too ride in ireland was a disgrace. Lord Derbys mar lost the Irish champion stakes because the dirty little person flogged the hide off the coolmore nag too win, i doubt any other jock would have not got the animal up. The authoritys should strip Dylan Thomas of the win and tell coolmore too cough the purse money and trophy, if they dont, kick the animal out of the stud book.

    Virtually 100% unsustainable nonsense,even as an opinion.(IMO of course)

    #246705
    yorkshirepudding
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    As far as I am concerned what is the point in a ban if he was allowed too ride in other juristictions. Its like sending a man too jail then letting go and rob someone else in a another country….

    The races authorities need too be more uniform, it makes a mockery of the whole system if he is allowed too ride in ireland when banned elsewhere.
    That applies all riders/jockeys etc..

    I hope too god for the sake everyone else he isnt using cocaine whule riding another thoroughbred, i would hate too think what could happen if their was an accident because of it.

    As for opion on Dylan Thomass vadility of his win, the coolmore slag ( he does put it about more than a rent boy at g20 summit) didnt get in fairly and squarley. :lol:

    #246734
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    In 2002 (I think it was) Andrasch Starke, who really was at the top of his game in Germany at the time, was invited over by the President of the Hong Kong Jockey Club (himself a German) to do a riding stint out there. Whilst over there, Starke tested positive for cocaine and served a six month ban.

    I’ve met Andrasch Starke on several occasions. He’s a really nice guy, always stops for autographs, and is one of the most popluar jockeys around on the German scene. Now I’m not condoning what he did in any way, but the fact is, he served his ban, and when that ban finished, he was allowed to resume riding. He’s learnt his lesson, so to speak. Personally (just my take on this) I feel that jockeys should certainly be banned from racing for some time if they commit a drugs offence, but maybe a lifetime ban is going too far. Besides, it’s not as if they are taking some kind of steroid like in athletics. In my mind, that’s a totally different matter. One is recreational, one is gaining an advantage.

    Kieren Fallon will be riding at Baden-Baden on Sunday. For the first time in a few years, I’m missing out on this years big meeting, but I’m sure he’ll get a warm reception from knowledgable racegoers who recognise the true talents of the man.

    Darren – AngloGerman
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    ‘The Hungarian’s going hell for leather’ – Jim McGrath

    #246735
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    I hope too god for the sake everyone else he isnt using cocaine whule riding another thoroughbred, i would hate too think what could happen if their was an accident because of it.

    I wouldn’t worry, Yorky.

    The only ‘accident’ likely to occur – if any – while under the influence of cocaine from a jockeys perspective, would be crapping yourself, but then they never race on a full stomach so….

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