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Keith Dalgleish , best rookie trainer ever ?

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  • #20895
    murrmac
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    Tomorrow, (Feb 1st) Keith Dalgleish will celebrate the first anniversary of his training career. His licence was granted on Feb 1st 2011.

    In over 50 years of following this sport, I can say that no novice trainer has ever made the same impact that Keith Dalgleish has.

    His achievement is made all the more meritorious by having overcome some personal problems along the way.

    Let us hope he celebrates an absolutely astounding first year with a win in the 5.20 at Kempton tomorrow, with King of Windsor.

    #389257
    robnorth
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    What about Roger Varian?

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    Eclipse First
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    Roger Charlton didn’t have a bad first year either.

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    tbracing
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    Agreed Rob Roger Varian had a fantastic first year but to be fair he did inherit a great set up from the late Michael Jarvis and had a lot of backing from Dubai! Though I am not trying to take anything away from him he had a fantastic year.

    Dalgleish has done fantastically well with limited runners and hope he gets hold of some better horses in the future. He had 39 winners and the majority of those came in races worth 3.5k or less. He’s managed to get Frequency to win 6 times this year and 3 of them in handicaps, now that is some going!! :lol:

    Best job though has to be Doc Hay, will start the season rated 90 this year, Keith bought him for £7600 from Paul Cole (originally bought by Cole for $300,000). Dropped him back to 5f and got him to win 4 races and on his last start placed in the Wentworth stakes at Donny.

    Top name to watch out for

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    jumpsfan
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    John Ferguson:

    18 wins from 54 runners … 1 in 3 !!!

    plus 14 placed runners ,so 32 of the 54 won or were placed, that’s pretty good in my book.

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    douginho
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    Very much agree with Keith Dalgleish having made as big an impact as many new trainers ever have. Another couple of winners today and I think his art is in placing horses in races that they can win. He doesn’t seem frightened to run horses in claimers, get a win or two, build up confidence and then move onwards (ie Frequency and Doc Hay as pointed out). Of course he also had Stonefield Flyer placed at Royal Ascot so its not like he cant mix it in the upper echelons either.

    Arguably this season will be a tougher test than last year as he will now in theory have a stable full of badly handicapped horses (ie Neil Mulholland over fences this winter – albeit shown signs in past week of return to form).

    Other trainers have had good starts in recent periods, namely David O’Meara. As highlighted Roger Varian did well, but he was a large part of the Michael Jarvis set up already.

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    grey dolphin
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    Can’t say I’d even noticed he’d started training!! But that’s hardly surprising if he’s harrowing sand.

    Ferguson has made a huge impression in a short time. He looks like being a serious force, albeit one has to suspect that that is partly due to some sheikhly backing.

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    He’s certainly done very well for himself. Maybe it’s because he’s terrified of the landlord. Didn’t he sack Linda Perratt and Ian Semple took over?

    Ian Semple did really well with some of the horses he had I just hope it continues for young Mr Dalgliesh who has set himself a very high standard.

    Hard life being a trainer once you set your own standard people expect the same results year in year out.

    Your handicappers are a big problem because they win their ratings go up making it near impossible to win again for along time, so unless you can bring in good horses to counteract that your percentage of winners will fall.

    Lot easier to do that in Newmarket that it is an sunny Carluke.

    The good start for sure and will help but he’s got a big task ahead of him training where he is.

    If he can keep it up for another couple of years you can bet your life he’ll move down south while he can.

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    Dalgleish has done a brilliant job with cheap horses. All this love for John Ferguson masks the fact he is winning bumpers and juvenile hurdles with horses bred to win a Derby, often ‘donated’ by the very kind Sheikh.

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    Dalgleish has done a brilliant job with cheap horses. All this love for John Ferguson masks the fact he is winning bumpers and juvenile hurdles with horses bred to win a Derby, often ‘donated’ by the very kind Sheikh.

    Is "donated" another word for "owned"?

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    grey dolphin
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    Yes suspect Sheikh Mo has a fair stake in ‘Bloomfields’.

    #389657
    Hurdygurdyman
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    Appreciate what you are saying Smithy but seller or classic you still have to train them.

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    cormack15
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    If he can keep it up for another couple of years you can bet your life he’ll move down south while he can.

    The vast majority of excellent northern trainers stay north.

    Maybe they learned from the Dickinson experience…

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    The vast majority of excellent northern trainers stay north..

    Who are the infinitesmal minority of excellent northern trainers who go south?

    Or for that matter the less than excellent?

    Sorry to be a boring bore… but the phrase ‘excellent trainer’ has, like ‘strong jockey’, been hurled about willy-nilly since I was knee-high to Red Rum’s fetlocks

    What does it all mean?

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    cormack15
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    What I really meant Drone was – not many nothern trainers who are any good at all ever seem to move south. The idea (proposed in an earlier post) that they are all itching for the supposedly greener pastures of southern lands is nonsense.

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    Drone
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    How green was my [midland] valley?

    #389687
    Hurdygurdyman
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    If he can keep it up for another couple of years you can bet your life he’ll move down south while he can.

    The vast majority of excellent northern trainers stay north.

    Maybe they learned from the Dickinson experience…

    I meant somewhere like Malton where transport is easier and cheaper to major meetings than it is from sunny Carluke Not necessarily Newmarket or the likes.

    Forget Michael he should learn form the Lenny Lungo John Wilson Donal Nolan experience. They all came from wealthy families and no doubt got some help now and then but still couldn’t make the game pay.

    The likes of Ken Oliver was very successful. He didn’t actually train the horses but he was worth a fortune and it was his wife Rhona’s first love so even if time got bad she could afford to continue without fear of going bust. Mind you she was a brilliant trainer in her own right so I doubt if she needed and help for most of her career.

    Harry Bell was fairly well off and one of the shrewdest guys you could ever hope to meet and did well for an awful lot of years

    Lenny Lungo’s dad was a very wealthy guy he had a fish N Chip buisness since the 60’s that was mega popular, Jogn Wilson his dad was the Wilson of Taggarts and Wilson, Donal Nolan family mainly his brother Major was worth mega bucks No doubt they all got a little help now and then to keep going.

    All I know about Keith Dalgleish is he’s an ex jockey but if he doesn’t have guaranteed financial assistance he can turn to he’ll need a lot of luck to survive training in far off Carluke.

    I can’t think of one successful trainer in Scotland who isn’t a wealthy farmer or have some sort of family business that supports their hobby of training horses.

    Is there one apart from KD? He’s obviously very talented so my advise stays the same; get the hell out of Scotland asap

    You say it’s nonsense to say he’d want to move south I would call it good business sense unless he owns some huge estate I don’t know about.

    As I said I think you’re confusing a horse trainer with landowners who train for fun. Not the same thing, now is it?

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