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Think ballydoyle will leave decision to as late as possible in the hope the ground dries out. Odds are gleneagles will be pulled and then we could have him going for the breeders cup or even God forbid staying in training next season. Hugely frustrating if he doesn’t run but I can fully understand if the boys pull him out.
O’Brien saying they will probably wait until Joseph rides in the second & third race before a decision is made. Glen Eagles out to third fav now.
The going this morning is good to soft with 14mm of rain in the last 24 hrs. It’s meant to be warm and dry today and bright leading up to the race. Highly unlikely gleneagles will run unless it dries dramatically today.
Clerk of the course has done well to convince O’ Brien to wait till later on today. The course had a new drainage system put in place not too long ago so it should be lovely good ground by 155.
It’s positive enough news that Gleneagles hasn’t hastily been scratched already so fingers crossed the sun comes out to play early on.
Do they really think Gleaneagles can beat Golden Horn at this distance?
They have the excuse now. Why didn’t Aiden’s best ever miler wait until after the second or third race at Goodwood before pulling Gleaneagles as the going that day was perfect, the only reason they done it so early must of been the Solow factor.
I don’t know why they are so protective over stud fees. Everyone soon susses out if the horse is a good stallion or not despite how bloody brilliant they were on track although it helps to be Frankel as if he were to flop they have already made their millions but an operation like Coolmore have mega bucks anyway and this game protect stallion fees for them is funny to my eye. O’Brien could of easier said Henrythenavigator was the best miler he ever trained yet at stud I cant think of one good horse he has sired.
If a horse god forbid loses a race yet produces a whole host of amazing prodigy then it stands to reason the stud fees will increase with the success.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
I do get somewhat fed up with all this will he won’t he run!!
AOB GROW A PAIR!!!!
I understand about stud values unbeaten record etc. but surely the clue is in the name IT IS A RACEHORSE !! AS long as the ground isn’t dangerous or bottomless then surely the animal should run.
The only downside I can see is if the horse has too tough a race because of the ground and never quite gets back to his best but if the jockey can’t see and feel that during the race then he should not be on it’s back!!
IMO Run it and let’s see how good he is against the mighty Golden Horn.Sorry for the rant but I do get fed up with all this prevarication!!!
Gleneagles and The Grey Gatsby are probably best on a firm surface let alone good-soft.
Golden Horn and Time Test are not 100% certain to act on this either – although do expect them to.
Cougar Mountain acts on it, but Dick Doubtywylie is in there to ensure it’s a test and have severe doubts Cougar will stay a truly run 1m2f on it. Arabian Queen may not stay either if she does not settle, front runner so a pace maker is not ideal. Strangely, the Australian Criterion is the only one sure to be suited by both ground and distance. Cheek pieces might be a sign not showing his best on the gallops but woth a chance.I’ve backed Time Test to win outright 5/1 and 6/4 betting without Golden Horn. Plus Criterion @ 18/1 and Aabian Queen betting without.
Value Is EverythingI do get somewhat fed up with all this will he won’t he run!!
AOB GROW A PAIR!!!!
I understand about stud values unbeaten record etc. but surely the clue is in the name IT IS A RACEHORSE !! AS long as the ground isn’t dangerous or bottomless then surely the animal should run.
The only downside I can see is if the horse has too tough a race because of the ground and never quite gets back to his best but if the jockey can’t see and feel that during the race then he should not be on it’s back!!
IMO Run it and let’s see how good he is against the mighty Golden Horn.Sorry for the rant but I do get fed up with all this prevarication!!!
Coolmore rightly got severely criticised when taking Gleneagles out of the Sussex too early. Now, when they give the ground every chance to come right – they get it through the neck again.
You’ve answered your own rant Raymo by saying “if the horse has too tough a race because of the ground and never quite gets back to his best”. This is a trip that AOB thinks might stretch him and added to that a pacemaker to ensure a good pace and soft ground which both place an emphasis on stamina. If the jockey senses the horse is having too hard a race then it might be too late (damage done)… And what if still in contention of a place – what is he to do? Can not drop his hands.
The horse is nowhere near as good with give in the ground. Get over it.
Value Is EverythingSome of the analysis and labelling of Gleneagles, on here and elsewhere, as a hype horse is bordering on hysterical nonsense and a few seem to have lost their normal faculties.
Unbeaten since his debut
Maiden then 5 wins at two
Including Tyros and Futurity
Wins two group 1s as 2yo
Including the best 2yo race in Ireland & best 2yo race in France (FPTP only)
Unbeaten at 3 including two classics and St James Place Stakes.That ladies and gentlemen is a career.
The one thing I know about Gleneagles is that it is vital not to look at the horses he has beat as he is one of these types that once he gets his head in front, he does not let anyone get past him. Even if it is a Latharnach or a Toscanini or a Territories.
He has a certain intelligence about him that when he eyeballs another horse/other horses he knows what he has to do win a race.I was surprised to see him entered for this race though and I will doth my cap (if he does race) if he runs into a place. At the end of the day (disregarding stud etc..) it’s about the prize money. 3rd is just short of 100k.
Golden Horn for me all the way though and then to finish 2nd in the Arc.That’s it though, Gleneagles no run
No surprises there.
I reckon The Grey Gatsby at 12/1 ante-post with 3 places up for grabs looks good now. He now only needs to finish ahead of 400/1, 100/1, 100/1 and 40/1 shots to be in the three.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Some of the analysis and labelling of Gleneagles, on here and elsewhere, as a hype horse is bordering on hysterical nonsense and a few seem to have lost their normal faculties.
Unbeaten since his debut
Maiden then 5 wins at two
Including Tyros and Futurity
Wins two group 1s as 2yo
Including the best 2yo race in Ireland & best 2yo race in France (FPTP only)
Unbeaten at 3 including two classics and St James Place Stakes.That ladies and gentlemen is a career.
But he reamains unproven against older horses like Solow. Don’t think AOB ever wanted to go at York having described Gleneagles as a pure miler
Taken Gleneagles out too soon again!
Course is genuine good ground judging by time of the first race.
Value Is EverythingA game of dodge ball Ginge.
I expect they were only in the race in case anything happened to GH beforehand and he was scratched.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
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