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  • #1447096
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    Not a race where I would normally have much of an interest, but a couple of Royal Ascot winners jumping out…

    https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/flat/juddmonte-international/winner

    I’ve liked Japan since last year, and I’d be happy to back him anywhere he ran now, but as much as he’s a nice price, 16’s, there’s the obvious concern that this might be short of the test he requires now, and he also has so many other options.

    I was also very impressed with Sangarius last week. Enable would obviously be the #1 here for Khalid Abdullah, but any issues with her, and I Could honestly see Sangarius heading here.

    Long way off, and not a race where I look to have a bet on the day, never mind Antepost, but I do like this pair.

    It would make sense for me to leave Japan for now, in fact it would make sense for me to sit it out altogether, but wouldn’t take much persuading to bet Sangarius.

    I’ve held off for now, but early fancy..

    Sangarius 20’s

    #1447941
    darren83
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    CIRCUS MAXIMUS 12/1

    Before i get onto my bet look at other horses near betting.Gosden said Enable not run here go for Oaks at this meeting.Am sure owner want a runner so next could be Sangarius but i get the feeling Stoute go pateint route with him and i remember when Crystal Ocean 2nd in King george after that race got the feeling that he not happy running 2 horses in group one.Suprise that no entry for Headman with way he progress this year.

    Other AOB horses no doubt JAPAN is best for me at 3 but way he ran at Ascot only got into full stride further he went drop back in trip not ideal.Magical on a break.While derby winner not come here wants longer trips 1m4 and further.

    When look at my bet here he not stay in derby but had solid 2yo form with Magna Grecia and Persian King all are group one winners at 3.If you watch way he won at Ascot to me won not because was quickest horse but more to stamina it like when Al ferof won supreme in a way won more because stamina than speed.And i feel a 1m2 is ideal trip form could run in Sussex but think form get swap around and King Of Comedy win.But a extra 2f what he needs and think be one to beat.

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    Where did Gosden mention Yorkshire Oaks over the Juddmonte, Darren?

    #1448010
    darren83
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    Kev if go to Racingpost website on report of the eclipse it says Gosden prefers Yorkshire oaks to the juddmonte

    #1448012
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    If I knew Gosden was going to stick to that, I’d definitely take a chance on Sangarius.

    #1448019
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    Suspect Gosden has only said that to keep options open. She’s already won the Yorkshire Oaks anyway. So in many ways it would be an easier option – particularly without Sea Of Class. I hear Magical is in for a break, does that mean until York or later? Think I heard Abdullah and/or racing manager would prefer to win their own (sponsered) race. So although Gosden might prefur the longer race, I doubt the owner does. Also, Gosden has several fillies/options for the Yorkshire Oaks, where as the trainer has no other options for the Internationl. Therefore I’d be surprised if Enable does not go for this… Unless Sangarius improves in to a Group 1 animal. I heard Sangarius will be going for the York Group 2 1m2f race at York on King George day. Will need to win that race very well if he’s to usurp Enable here. Sangarius is also Stoute’s; will Crystal Ocean be representing him? Suppose a lot will depend on what heppens at the end of the month.
    Enable seems to be the most likely runner, but 6/4 ante-post is short considering she’s running again before this. Too many questions about other participents – no bet for me at this stage.

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    Surely this is Crystal Ocean‘s to lose? He seems well ahead on form here. I can see the Japan and King of Comedy threat, but the last 3 year olds to win this (Roaring Lion, Australia,Sea the Stars) were a step ahead of those 2, so they have quite a bit to find. He is so consistent, that it’s hard to think he won’t run to form. Maybe the only worry is if the race turns into a muddling affair, but you would think Japan would need a strong pace to run at and that Circus Maximus should take them on for that.

    Regal Reality looks a bit overpriced at 25s, so worth an EW for me, plus am on KOC at 14s antipost, so likely then to cover a main bet on Crystal Ocean, with maybe another saver on Japan, but everything points at Crystal Ocean here for me and boy would he deserve it!

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    Was just going to sit this out, having dodged a bullet with Sangarius, but in his Coral Eclipse run, I’ll chance Regal Regal Reality again at the 25’s for a small interest.

    Regal Reality 25’s EW

    #1451390
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    On Japan only down to the price- regal reality is one I agree with both of you on. Easily forgive the last run and he’s still on an upward curve. Should be at least half that price IMO

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    A clear run and surely crystal ocean wins this easily

    Not entirely sure about tha drop back in trip for japan myself, think he needs 1m6f not 1m2f

    My hope is he loses badly here and obrein decides to run him in the leger

    King of comedy is interesting but has a lot to find with the rock solid crystal ocean

    Unless he gets boxed in like poets word last year just cant see him getting beat

    I have him in a 4 fold with headman, madhmoon and the lords test being a draw and am hopeful of a winning final leg

    GL all

    #1451435
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    Have to agree with Frenchy and FF here. Surely this is a point and press job for Crystal :good:

    Good luck with the four timer FF :good:

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    I think that Crystal Ocean should win this, but as I’ll be there, I will stay loyal to Regal Reality each way at the big price, as I would love to cheer him home. I definitely think that his price is too big on his Sandown run.

    #1451492
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    I’ve backed King Of Comedy @ 5/1, Regal Reality @ 49/1 with a saver on Crystal Ocean 11/10.

    Prince Of Wales and both 2018 and 19 King George form of Crystal Ocean seems good enough to win most Internationals. So imo at least a 50/50 chance (Evens) here. Travelled as well as any horse last time (including Enable), so although this is on firmer ground than the POW, should be fast enough as long as it’s not slowly run. Circus Maximus is the probable front runner and test of speed may suit, however setting a slow pace would surely be even more against Coolmore’s rightful first string Japan. Personally can’t see Japan being fast enough anyway but expect Donnacha to set a reasonable pace. On basic St James’s Palace form Circus Maximus is a better horse than King Of Comedy, but sectionals suggest otherwise and… the John Gosden horse has far more scope for improvement too, 5 runs to CM’s 8. Circus Maximus might progress a pound or two for the increased trip, but seems unlikely to trouble the fav if he’s in A1 condition. Where as the way King Of Comedy finishes at a mile suggests 1m2f is right up his street and still improving pretty fast. Crystal Ocean undoubtedly has the best chance, but is it – as betting suggests – three times as much as King Of Comedy? I think KOC is a better than a 16.7% 5/1 chance. Lord Glitters is an interesting runner, but this is a better quality field than recent older mile races. His level of form well established too and doesn’t run as if this trip is what’s needed. Cheval Grande is a Japan Cup winner and the ground should suit better this time than when 12 lengths behind Crystal Ocean in King George. But hasn’t managed a win in eight runs since that Japan Cup. Thundering Blue placed in this last year, but doesn’t come in to this renewal in anywhere near as good form. Fav’s stable companion Regal Reality isn’t the most straightforward – has been difficult to go to post – but not done much wrong in races and still improving on penultimate start. Only beaten 2 3/4 lengths by Enable who went on to beat Crystal Ocean a neck (winner eased slightly). Regal Reality then ran here in the Group 2 York Stakes. My main selection that day Elarqam won but Addeybb couldn’t find a way through and Regal Reality – as expected – couldn’t cope with the ground. Apparent stand out performance by the Johnston horse but imo flattered. If the official report is correct tomorrow will be back to a sound surface. So take the York Stakes out and you’ve got a progressive horse in Regal Reality that (on a line through Enable) has only around 2 lengths to find… and yet available @ 49/1. GET ON!

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    #1451495
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    To me it’s such a strange decision to run japan over this trip, haven’t seen anything to suggest he needs shorter than 1m4f

    I’m guessing it’s as much a fact finding mission as anything looking forward to the irish champion stakes, the arc and the leger

    Where he runs next may hinge on what happens tomorrow

    If he goes close youd think hed be running at leopardstown on September 14th if he looks too slow Doncaster surely becomes more of a possibility

    #1451497
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    I keep thinking back to Ascot when afterwards Ryan Moore almost scoffed at the question asking whether Japan was a Leger horse, saying he’s too good for that. He was so impressive off a strong pace that day it is slightly odd he’s here tomorrow over 10F but how many times has AOB pulled something out the bag so I can’t leave him unbacked and have saved on him

    #1451502
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    I’m probably being biased as I backed him at 25s for the leger at the start of the season and want a run for my money hahaha

    #1451511
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    Ginge, i too think RR is big, at that sort of price on the exchange there must be a minor worry he’s not showing up at all? seems huge!

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