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And rather amusingly….
The Stewards considered the running of the winner PITKIN, ridden by James Sullivan and trained by M.W. Easterby, which had never previously been placed. They interviewed the trainer’s representative, who stated that the gelding appears to have benefitted from a ten-week break since its’ last run and that PITKIN appears to be steadily improving with time. They forwarded his comments to the British Horseracing Authority, so that the performance of PITKIN in his earlier races could be reviewed.
You have to laugh, don’t you.
Outpaced the whole way, when a 100/1, 39l tailed-off last over 7f, then benefits enough from his holiday to be up with the pace all the way over a sharper 5f on his handicap debut. To add insult to injury, he runs off 6lb ‘wrong’ and still wins tidily, following hefty support in the morning market.reet hard, I think laughing is about the best thing you can do in this situation.
Phil Smith has been enjoying himself in Kentucky while the latest horse makes him and his colleagues look stupid.
The horse has been handicapped on one start. The horse should have been kept to non-handicaps with no rating. What amazes me is why they bothered to wait until after the 3rd start to rate the horse – that could have been done after start one.
Wednesday’s Qualifiers
ASTERALES
POCKET TOO
FAYRE BELLA
CARYS’S LAD
CYBERGENIC
GOODISON PARKhttp://www.britishhorseracing.com/gorac … appers.asp
Oh marvellous. Some more important points of discussion. Is Americain, who will never run in a European handicap, a 119, 120, 121 or 122 horse?
Well at least they have highlighted Dubara Reef.
Look at the mess with this horse.
Beaten 36l, 50l, 18.5l and 15.5l in Maiden’s. Let’s rate it 46. Although it is worth pointing out that Phil Smith only uses 2lb a length at 7f, so maybe it was rated through the last two runs.
Now that part is not what I would call the "mess."
2nd July 2010 – Dubara Reef is beaten 24l. Was for some unknown reason dropped a 1lb. Although when Mr Smith was asked about digit preference in the Q+A, he suggested 1lb doesn’t matter due to the "class" and I suppose "grouping" system. Won next time out.
25th August 2010 – Dubara Reef is beaten 16l. Next start runs off a 3lb lower mark and wins again!
9th October 2010 – Dubara Reef runs off 69, is beat 33l and again is dropped 3lb back to 66. Wins next time out.
Plus there’s some insightful analysis on Riverside Theatre and the Badger Ales Handicap Chase.
The Stewards considered the running of SALPIERRE (IRE), ridden by A P McCoy and trained by Jonjo O’Neill, which had never previously been placed.
They interviewed the trainer’s representative, who stated that the gelding had benefited from its first run of the season and considered today’s race to be a weak race. They forwarded his comments to the British Horseracing Authority, so that the performance of SALPIERRE (IRE) in his earlier races could be reviewed.Well done to Mr O’Neill yet again. A 2lb drop was needed for that 65l hammering previously…..
The Stewards considered the running of the winner ROBBERS BRIDGE (IRE), ridden by Andrew Glassonbury, and trained by V.R.A. Dartnall, which had never previously been placed. They interviewed the trainer who stated that the gelding was backward and prefers fences to hurdles. They forwarded his comments to the British Horseracing Authority so that the performance of ROBBERS BRIDGE (IRE) in its earlier races could be reviewed.
First run in a handicap. Why would they need to forward anything on? The handicappers have seen it and they decided to give the horse an official rating. It has won – end of story, question who gave the horse a mark if it is such an issue.But, from the obvious history, we know it is not deemed an issue at BHA towers.
The Stewards considered the running of the winner GERONIMO CHIEF (IRE), ridden by Chris Catlin and trained by B M R Haslam, which had never previously been placed.
They interviewed the trainer, who stated that the gelding may have benefited from a
They forwarded his comments to the British Horseracing Authority, so that the performance of GERONIMO CHIEF (IRE) in his earlier races could be reviewed. The Stewards ordered GERONIMO CHIEF (IRE) to be routine tested.
Interesting choice of a word highlighted in blue.Another noted runner of Mr O’Neill’s.
The Stewards considered the apparent improvement in form of the winner SWAY (FR), ridden by Richie McLernon and trained by Jonjo O’Neill, compared with its previous run at Uttoxeter on 29th October, where it finished last of three finishers, beaten 29 lengths, but having received a report that the trainer was unable to offer any explanation and in the absence of any other relevant information, they decided not to hold an enquiry. The Stewards ordered SWAY (FR) to be routine tested.
And a winner at Kempton from last night. An "improving" winner the stewards felt was worthy of questioning that was given a drop after its last run….
The Stewards considered the apparent improvement in form of the winner PRAGMATIST, ridden by James Millman, and trained by B.R. Millman compared with its previous run at Yarmouth on 19th October where it finished 8th beaten 8 lengths, but having received a report of the trainer’s explanation that the mare was better suited by today’s faster surface, they decided not to hold an enquiry.
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The Stewards considered the running of the winner ROBBERS BRIDGE (IRE), ridden by Andrew Glassonbury, and trained by V.R.A. Dartnall, which had never previously been placed. They interviewed the trainer who stated that the gelding was backward and prefers fences to hurdles. They forwarded his comments to the British Horseracing Authority so that the performance of ROBBERS BRIDGE (IRE) in its earlier races could be reviewed.
First run in a handicap. Why would they need to forward anything on? The handicappers have seen it and they decided to give the horse an official rating. It has won – end of story, question who gave the horse a mark if it is such an issue.But, from the obvious history, we know it is not deemed an issue at BHA towers.
I spoke to a member of the integrity team earlier today, Jose, and he confirmed that handicap winners who have failed to finish fourth or better in any race prior to the event in question are automatically referred to the BHA to have their previous runs re-examined.
AJ, thanks for that.
It still makes little sense. That sounds like they are giving handicap marks to appear to be fooled, no? Because many of these horses can’t win unless they show a remarkable ability to improve, so whatever the rating they will look 100% stupid if they win. It’s crazy guessing imo.
They do have the power to refuse a mark.
These first time handicap winners are killing the thread and its original purpose.
Friday’s Qualifiers
TALESOFRIVERBANK
CORNISH SETTThe last named is obviously a horse in decline, but he’s been dropped numbers that just don’t match up.
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I spoke to a member of the integrity team earlier today, Jose, and he confirmed that handicap winners who have failed to finish fourth or better in any race prior to the event in question are automatically referred to the BHA to have their previous runs re-examined.
But aren’t they just going through the motions, AJ?
This kind of thing happens every day, at almost every meeting, yet how often do we hear of trainers even being questioned at a later date, as a result of these referrals?
Even if they are – which there is scant evidence of – then how’s it meant to act as a deterrent, if it’s all done clandestinely?Jose,
Thought you’d enjoy this one, although as it was running in a maiden it wouldn’t have shown on your radar.
It’s a 2-y-old called Veuveveuvevoom, who got an initial mark of 25 after three runs beaten 20L+ in maidens. For her fourth run she tried another maiden, finished one from last and was promptly dropped 5lbs to 20. That should really help the trainer place her as those 0-20 handicaps are always short of runners!
Then today she appears in a 5F maiden at Lingfield and beat two home, including one rated 61. This time she was only beaten 10L and was just 5L behind a 75 rated horse.
I predict a punitive rise, after which poor old Veuveveuvevoom could find herself rated 40!
AP
Jose,
Thought you’d enjoy this one, although as it was running in a maiden it wouldn’t have shown on your radar.
It’s a 2-y-old called Veuveveuvevoom, who got an initial mark of 25 after three runs beaten 20L+ in maidens. For her fourth run she tried another maiden, finished one from last and was promptly dropped 5lbs to 20. That should really help the trainer place her as those 0-20 handicaps are always short of runners!
Then today she appears in a 5F maiden at Lingfield and beat two home, including one rated 61. This time she was only beaten 10L and was just 5L behind a 75 rated horse.
I predict a punitive rise, after which poor old Veuveveuvevoom could find herself rated 40!
AP
Surely these people should be sacked by now? They cannot be serious… I would call it a waste of time, and so would everyone else.
Veuveveuvevoom before today had a best RPR of 3 on Turf and 6 on the AW. Where was 25 picked from?
I’m just wondering if Veuveveuvevoom had repeated those first 4 runs over and over what would have happened? A negative handicap mark after receiving a 5lb drop for each bad run? 0 to 20 handicaps are one thing, -30 to -5 are another!
Saturday’s Qualifiers
MADMAN
BORDER TALE
SILVER LINNETI’m going to review those in the morning. Might be some more to add, and if not I’ll put them below as being thought of.
Sunday’s Qualifiers
Kingscourt Lad
I would like it all to become slightly more unpredictable.
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