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    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/107/york/2024-07-13/868214

    https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/flat/john-smiths-cup-handicap/winner

    Was surprised to see Euchen Glen back out this year, but no surprise to see him win last night either, as there was still signs earlier in the season that he retained enough ability

    Was always going to be a sentimental selection in this for me, but change of tactics worked a treat yesterday, and a similar approach should hopefully help here. Obviously vulnerable to younger legs, in what will be a significantly hotter race, but as I’d expect him to trap here, and I’d be betting him anyway, I’ve played early. Slightly wary of him being retired though after last night, but bet him now anyway. Needs a few to come out, but I think they will.

    Also like Enfjaar, Killybegs Warrior, and Padishakh

    Euchen Glen 33’s EW

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    TheTinMan87
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    Its an interesting antepost market VTC because Hand Of God has very little chance of getting a run from where he’ll be in the weights without it cutting up a lot.

    Haunted Dream will be very popular, ran really well in it last year and will be at least a few pounds well in if he goes back after his Wolferton run, seems to be progressing. I can see him going off fav on the day but he’s been well enough found already. Torito would have to give him 3lbs having finished behind him at Ascot (albeit narrowly) so I’d be surprised if he started shorter than him but it could hinge on who James Doyle picks if they both run.

    Bolster, Liberty Lane, Botanical all owned by the same person, can’t see all of them coming here, particularly as Burke trains two of them so they’ll know which one/s have the better chance.

    Haggas is obviously respected in this but I have no idea who he’ll run, he’s got a few likely sorts entered.

    Epic Poet was another eyecatcher from Royal Ascot who has been latched onto, ran a nice run here on seasonal reappearance too.

    The other trainer to Haggas I look to for this race is Andrew Balding and he’s only got 3 entered and Scampi looks the obvious candidate having run well in this last year from a wide draw and won at the Dante meeting I think it was. He had a pipe opener here the other week and it just screamed of him needing the run, very weak in the market, travelled well for a while then blew up. This will be his early season target I’d imagine. I’ve backed him at 25’s just now.

    The other one I’m less certain on but prepared to throw a few quid at is Daysofourlives also at 25’s. Ran a cracker in the Hunt Cup and he’s proven over 10F. He may go up a little bit in the weights so would be well in for this. I’d be slightly concerned he may wait for another Ascot cavalry charge because he runs so well there but he’s a progressive horse and this is a huge pot so it could tempt them.

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    All Jeff
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    If Astro King is declared, he will have a lot of weight on his back, but he is the one that I’m definitely betting.

    As for my second choice, I would be hear all day with my current list, but very high on the list are Enfijaar and Truthful

    Astro King will be ew, as I think that I’ll be able to get a good price

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    Agree with you All Jeff about Astro King, did it last week in the abandoned Old Newton. Took 25s yesterday each way. I’ll probably also do Dual Identity.

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    I always find the jockey bookings quite interesting on these bumper fixture days. It tends to happen a couple of times in the flat season, one being the Lincoln clashing with the World Cup races in Dubai, the St Leger tends to clash with the Irish Champions Weekend and of course we have ‘super Saturday’. Jockeys can only ride at one meeting now and that inevitably will be the Newmarket one because of the July Cup for most of the big name jockeys so what tends to happen is you get some b-list jockeys riding here.

    Liberty Lane and Haunted Dream not only have terrible draws but they also have jockeys who wouldn’t be riding them if this meeting was on another weekend. Botanical doesn’t have the same draw problems but the jockey comment applies. Basically the only horses who have their preferred jockeys on are Astro King, Penzance, Epic Poet, Take Heart (a rare Irish raider) and Loyal Touch. I do think its underrated as a factor, some jockeys are overrated by the market but I think for some of them its underrated just how ordinary they are compared to the better ones. I’d put Kingscote and Tudhope head and shoulders above most of these so they’d be my two against the field now Scampi is a non-runner, leaning more towards Astro King due to Epic Poet also having a nightmare draw.

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    buckers
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    It’s another vote here for Astro King at 22-1

    #1701704
    Mike007
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    Epic Poet ew 6 places

    #1701715
    Avatar photoRefuse To Bend
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    Kingfisher King first run of the season but Haggas pulled that feat a few seasons ago.

    To avoid disappointment have no expectations.

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    HAUNTED DREAM deserves a big one like this but has been hampered by his draw. I also remember Muscutt giving this one an awful ride at Newcastle a few runs back so not sure how I feel about him riding. Couldn’t help myself though, he’s my selection. Took 11/2 last night.

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    Avatar photoWilts
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    Liberty Lane is my main punt of the day at 11s (BOG).
    And for a small wager added
    Killybegs Warrior each way 66s (1st 5).

    Best of luck to all :good:

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    sergeantcecil
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    Added Dual Identity 25s each way

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    Mike007
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    Epic Poet did well to finish 5th jockey had nowhere to go for much of the straight.

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