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Let down bt Antipodean friend hey Jonibake? Whilst i totally dont agree with AIC’s cream puff comment,Frankels last furlong in 12.9 something was slow! Why because Henry Cecil ballsed up the tactics mate!
Anyone have a clue what he is going on about? I know I don’t. He won by 5 lengths Jolly. It was one of the highest rated performances of all time. What did you expect to see and how exactly did Henry balls it up? Talk sense man.
You guys come on here and constantly let yourselves down I’m afraid. You show no respect for our great horse even though we show plenty of respect for yours.
Australia is a wonderful country and I have enjoyed three fantastic visits there. Most of the people are genuine, down to earth guys who are very welcoming. You and AIC though seem to have an awful chip on your shoulders for some reason. I find your posts rude, arrogant, one eyed, stupid and aggressive and I think you pollute what is otherwise a great forum.
I normally read over what you post because to be quite honest it is never worth reading. I know that will only entice you to write even more cr*p and no one can stop you doing that but you must lead sad little lives if you get your kicks from coming on a British based forum and trolling us. Give it a rest.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Now, I will bet you blokes a slab and a 6-pack of 2008 Del Diablo Loco Shiraz, purchased on ebay and delivered to address of choice, that Frankel and Black Caviar will never even meet in a race in 2012!!!
Who wants that bet?
That’s right, nobody.
AIC its 1/3 it doesn’t happen so your bets safe but just out of interest ‘should’
Frankel
carrying 9-0 meet
Black caviar
carrying 8-11 say over 7f at York on a warm Sunny day in August on ‘Good’ ground,maybe just on the fast side of good and both were in tip top shape,say there was a field of 10 went to post who would go off favourite and who in your opinion would win?
For my money Frankel would be an odds on favourite and the mare, game though she is, wouldn’t get within five lengths of him.
Frankel would certainly go off favourite, perhaps around 4/6. This would no doubt be reversed in Australia, nature of the beast. I would fancy Frankel to win but i wouldn’t think 5L personally, the mare is clearly out of the ordinary herself so perhaps a cosy 2 lengths.
I see Paddy Power often Even Money about both
Frankel
and
Black caviar
winning ‘any’ race at Royal Ascot. It might sound too good to be true as both trade odds on for what would seem the obvious targets ‘Queen Anne’ and ‘Golden Jubilee’,now if I was a player I would certainly be wanting the filly to run first as imo she is the one who will get beaten,the thought of a nice lump running onto ‘Frankel’ would appeal a lot more than the other way round!
I see Paddy Power often Even Money about both
Frankel
and
Black caviar
winning ‘any’ race at Royal Ascot. It might sound too good to be true as both trade odds on for what would seem the obvious targets ‘Queen Anne’ and ‘Golden Jubilee’,now if I was a player I would certainly be wanting the filly to run first as imo she is the one who will get beaten,the thought of a nice lump running onto ‘Frankel’ would appeal a lot more than the other way round!
Agree with this, but it’s hardly rocket science to have slightly more concern for the horse that has to travel half way around the world to a course type that it has never seen before and against horses it has never faced, as opposed to the horse that is basically racing at home in it’s comfort zone against the same old punching bags.
Now, I will bet you blokes a slab and a 6-pack of 2008 Del Diablo Loco Shiraz, purchased on ebay and delivered to address of choice, that Frankel and Black Caviar will never even meet in a race in 2012!!!
Who wants that bet?
That’s right, nobody.
AIC its 1/3 it doesn’t happen so your bets safe but just out of interest ‘should’
Frankel
carrying 9-0 meet
Black caviar
carrying 8-11 say over 7f at York on a warm Sunny day in August on ‘Good’ ground,maybe just on the fast side of good and both were in tip top shape,say there was a field of 10 went to post who would go off favourite and who in your opinion would win?
So whats your take on the above scenario then AIC?
I don’t think that there is any doubt that Frankel would start favourite in the scenario TAPK, especially in the UK. I’ve no doubt that Black Caviar would start favourite on Oz totes. Interesting to see how the Oz Corporate Bookmakers would frame their markets. IMO the one that started the longer price would be value.
I’m not familiar with the 1400m at York. I read an interesting article on the Racing Post website re a 1400m match race at Goodwood as that is a "downhill" run (?)
In all her 21 starts, I’ve never seen Black Caviar extended & ridden out to the line, that’s not saying that she’s never given her all, I’ve just never seen the jockey ask for it.
Would be a clash to savour.
Who would win? I honestly don’t know, I’d like to think that Black Caviar would but the colt is also outstanding and I think that either should class it as an honour for being involved in such a race. There have been match races over the years, the most famous I know of is Sea Biscuit & War Admiral but has there ever been one with 2 champions from different hemispheres?
Exciting times ahead either way.
I really don’t care about the concept of match races since Ruffian.Probably the best racing filly that ever put a hoof on a racetrack.I read somewhere that every time she raced she broke a record!
While you imagine that there is less doubt about Frankel than Black Caviar, she actually has more in hand over her nearest rivals. 12lb over Sepoy, 14lb over Moonlight Cloud and 17lb over Bated Breath and Hoof It. They can be some way below their best and still win their respective races at Royal Ascot.
from the mordin website
FRANKEL RUNS IMPOSSIBLY FAST
It’s quite easy to tell when the horses pass the five furlong marker from videos of races at Newbury. They cross the camera at that point, the rails on the near side end and the five furlong marker itself is very obvious.
This being so I know I’ve clocked the final five furlongs for all the races at Newbury last Saturday accurately. I mention this because not only did FRANKEL (47) run much closer to my standard times (and everybody’s) than any other winner on the card, he also ran the final five furlongs much faster.
The only horse to come close to Frankel’s final five furlongs was Palace Moon, a Listed class sprinter. In his race they ran the last five furlongs 1.2 seconds slower than they did in Frankel’s Lockinge. Seeing how fast Frankel had run the first three furlongs of his race and that Palace Moon’s race was two furlongs shorter simply equalling the final five furlong time of the sprint would have entitled Frankel to a solid Group 1 speed rating. Running 1.2 seconds faster amazes me.
Frankel does seem to be an almost unstoppable force over a mile. And his pedigree, physique and big stride all indicate he’s crying out for ten furlongs. However I don’t think it would be a great idea to step him up in distance at Royal Ascot for the Prince Of Wales Stakes. He came closest to defeat when only just scraping home in the St James’s Palace Stakes at the same meeting last year. It may very well be that his huge stride makes him unsuited to tracks with relatively short homestraights like Ascot’s round course. If he were mind I wouldn’t risk his unbeaten record there. I would wait for the longer homestraights provided by Sandown’s Eclipse Stakes or York’s Juddmonte International.
Out of interest I counted how many strides Frankel took to cover the last five furlongs. It was 135. That means his stride length was 24.4 feet, a bit more than 10% longer than average. At the slightly slower pace he’d be going over ten furlongs he would probably adopt a longer stride of around 27 feet. Indeed I bet he’s already done that in races where he hasn’t been pressed to go as fast as he was here.
Runner up EXCELEBRATION (42) was asked to shadow Frankel’s every move but simply couldn’t go with him in the closing stages. Nonetheless he proved that he’s a proper Group 1 horse with this performance.
Seeing that he’s a nippy sort with plenty of pace and acceleration and won the German Guineas so impressively around the tight track at Cologne, the race I’d be aiming Excelebration at long term would be the Breeders’ Cup Mile.
47 is a very high score. I think only frankel himself in the sussex and sea the stars in the eclipse have posted similar figures.
wonder if there are any time experts on here and what they make of frankel.
Now, I will bet you blokes a slab and a 6-pack of 2008 Del Diablo Loco Shiraz, purchased on ebay and delivered to address of choice, that Frankel and Black Caviar will never even meet in a race in 2012!!!
Who wants that bet?
That’s right, nobody.
AIC its 1/3 it doesn’t happen so your bets safe but just out of interest ‘should’
Frankel
carrying 9-0 meet
Black caviar
carrying 8-11 say over 7f at York on a warm Sunny day in August on ‘Good’ ground,maybe just on the fast side of good and both were in tip top shape,say there was a field of 10 went to post who would go off favourite and who in your opinion would win?
So whats your take on the above scenario then AIC?
I’d back Frankel in Australia and Black Caviar in the UK, and get myself an arb.
I am seriously bored with Frankel and the yard for not taking any risks. I cant believe the public think he is the best horse in the world, when he just about makes the top 3
lolTop 3
1. Black Caviar
2. So you think
3. Camelot/ FrankelBtw im not Australian lol they just have two very good horses lol
Thoughts??
Deeman
lolTop 3
1. Black Caviar
2. So you think
3. Camelot/ FrankelBtw im not Australian lol they just have two very good horses lol
Deeman
Take up golf?
I am seriously bored with Frankel and the yard for not taking any risks. I cant believe the public think he is the best horse in the world, when he just about makes the top 3
lolTop 3
1. Black Caviar
2. So you think
3. Camelot/ FrankelBtw im not Australian lol they just have two very good horses lol
Thoughts??
Deeman
Take up Prozac?
I am seriously bored with Frankel and the yard for not taking any risks. I cant believe the public think he is the best horse in the world, when he just about makes the top 3
lolTop 3
1. Black Caviar
2. So you think
3. Camelot/ FrankelBtw im not Australian lol they just have two very good horses lol
Thoughts??
Deeman
A the risk of looking foolish(only 4 days to the Derby). How on earth does Camelot fit into your top 3? What’s even more laughable you have him equal with Frankel!!
I think you’re in land were rocking horse people eat marshmellow pies.
Geez, I’m an Aussie & I stayed up to watch Frankel the other night. He’s an excitement machine. Nothing like watching top class horses run!
I can understand frustration but not boredom. We’ve been going through that with Black Caviar too. A lot of her top competition refuse to race against her anymore thus her last couple of wins have been against far inferior horses. I hope that you guys don’t suffer the same fate with Frankel but it is heading that way….
lol
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