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Try my approach: don’t bother. It works wonders. Ignore the whole ******* issue: the no-price Nicholls’ runner that wins, the no-price Nicholls’ runner that loses (same deal as red and black on a roulette wheel most of the time); ditto Henderson. The Pipe hotpot that gets beat; the unregarded Pipe horse that steals the show at 12/1 and you’re not on. The King horse you lumped on and it came last; the one that came up trumps and you weren’t on. The endless unremitting Sod’s Law. The horses that refuse, the split decision between two that is almost always wrong, the trixies that go west on the first leg; the doubles that only work once in a blue moon; the hours of form study, the bollox journalism in the post, the gnomic crap from jockeys, the dissembling of trainers, the huge-field bookie benefits which insult the intelligence, the disgusting spectacle of the grand national, the tight-fistedness of bookies (and DOUBLE everything for the dreadful Flat), the inside information, the whole virtually remorseless losing streak of average punterdom, the brain-bashing disappointment of following the Turf. Ignore it all and
do something else, forget the whole shabby game
and you’ll be a good deal happier. Bet on ice hockey or something just steer clear of racing. Ah yes, you will say, I remember feeling like this; this was before I gave any mental energy over to punting on horses and lining the pockets of the shameless. And you’ll be singing zippity doodah!
So, erm, how’s it been going of late Prof?
Mike
, the bollox journalism in the post, the gnomic crap from jockeys, the dissembling of trainers!
VG
a succinct and erudite dismissal of those who think they matterthanks, very enjoyable
Try my approach: don’t bother. It works wonders. Ignore the whole ******* issue: the no-price Nicholls’ runner that wins, the no-price Nicholls’ runner that loses (same deal as red and black on a roulette wheel most of the time); ditto Henderson. The Pipe hotpot that gets beat; the unregarded Pipe horse that steals the show at 12/1 and you’re not on. The King horse you lumped on and it came last; the one that came up trumps and you weren’t on. The endless unremitting Sod’s Law. The horses that refuse, the split decision between two that is almost always wrong, the trixies that go west on the first leg; the doubles that only work once in a blue moon; the hours of form study, the bollox journalism in the post, the gnomic crap from jockeys, the dissembling of trainers, the huge-field bookie benefits which insult the intelligence, the disgusting spectacle of the grand national, the tight-fistedness of bookies (and DOUBLE everything for the dreadful Flat), the inside information, the whole virtually remorseless losing streak of average punterdom, the brain-bashing disappointment of following the Turf. Ignore it all and
do something else, forget the whole shabby game
and you’ll be a good deal happier. Bet on ice hockey or something just steer clear of racing. Ah yes, you will say, I remember feeling like this; this was before I gave any mental energy over to punting on horses and lining the pockets of the shameless. And you’ll be singing zippity doodah!
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Dear boy, I think you’ll find today’s yawn at Cheltenham was the very definition of what I said. Besides, I’ve stopped punting just as you advised. So shaddap!
Try my approach: don’t bother. It works wonders. Ignore the whole ******* issue: the no-price Nicholls’ runner that wins, the no-price Nicholls’ runner that loses (same deal as red and black on a roulette wheel most of the time); ditto Henderson. The Pipe hotpot that gets beat; the unregarded Pipe horse that steals the show at 12/1 and you’re not on. The King horse you lumped on and it came last; the one that came up trumps and you weren’t on. The endless unremitting Sod’s Law. The horses that refuse, the split decision between two that is almost always wrong, the trixies that go west on the first leg; the doubles that only work once in a blue moon; the hours of form study, the bollox journalism in the post, the gnomic crap from jockeys, the dissembling of trainers, the huge-field bookie benefits which insult the intelligence, the disgusting spectacle of the grand national, the tight-fistedness of bookies (and DOUBLE everything for the dreadful Flat), the inside information, the whole virtually remorseless losing streak of average punterdom, the brain-bashing disappointment of following the Turf. Ignore it all and
do something else, forget the whole shabby game
and you’ll be a good deal happier. Bet on ice hockey or something just steer clear of racing. Ah yes, you will say, I remember feeling like this; this was before I gave any mental energy over to punting on horses and lining the pockets of the shameless. And you’ll be singing zippity doodah!
So, erm, how’s it been going of late Prof?
Mike
Betty, it’s been brilliant. I don’t bother with it; now and again I merely watch it to remind myself of what a losers’ game it is – equine roulette, escalado with the wheels turned by cunning bastards – and I find myself thinking again and again: WHAT A ******* MUGS’ GAME! how could I have ever derived any enjoyment from a farce where the rich win and the poor are mugged off time and again and
actually support the whole sh*thouse by going broke!
I never have the bet now and I’m never sorry I did. How’s your punting going? Getting rich?
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I’m glad you’ve stopped betting Prof. Your wisest dscision. It’s clear you were a "mug" who blames everyone else for his poor selections.
It’s not "equine roulette" or a "mugs game", as far as I am concerned it’s a brilliant way to make money!
All a punter needs is a good knowledge of what to and not to take in to account (comes with experience), understand odds as percentages and vice versa, a good form book and be willing to put in some hard study time. Or of course, he/she could just google "Gingers Jumpers" and follow the free tips!Value Is Everythinghow could I have ever derived any enjoyment from a farce where the rich win and the poor are mugged off time and again
You didn’t.
Mike
how could I have ever derived any enjoyment from a farce where the rich win and the poor are mugged off time and again
You didn’t.
Mike
You’re quite wrong. I found it very absorbing for years BUT the returns are simply not worth the effort, not for me anyway. The equation is about 10pc joy to 90pc annoyance/damp squib and even then you can margin a profit or break even, but I realised
what’s the point, you could be doing something far more creative than unravelling something made deliberately, often insultingly, complicated and p*ssing yourself off in the process
. I believe most punters on here would broadly agree but the habit’s too ingrained. I still enjoy going racing on occasion and will have a tenner on something if I go, but as a
mode de vie
forget it.
Now and again I swing past a bookies and have a look at proceedings. I always think: your poor sods, you poor sods. I remember once when I was going through a very profitable period I went in a Ladbrokes somewhere and there was no display information nor any pictures nor any sign they would be returning quickly. The announcer came on the PA to tell punters about this and added: ‘ . . . but don’t let that stop you having a a bet!’
Like I say, a shameless industry.
Anyway Bet, are you winning? Are you getting rich?I’m glad you’ve stopped betting Prof. Your wisest dscision. It’s clear you were a "mug" who blames everyone else for his poor selections.
It’s not "equine roulette" or a "mugs game", as far as I am concerned it’s a brilliant way to make money!
All a punter needs is a good knowledge of what to and not to take in to account (comes with experience), understand odds as percentages and vice versa, a good form book and be willing to put in some hard study time. Or of course, he/she could just google "Gingers Jumpers" and follow the free tips!You play the game how you like to play it: Timeform does the work and you do the math. Fine, glad you enjoy it.
My summation of the majority of the racing experience is accurate and you know it is and so do others on here otherwise I would have been given a hundred pedantic refutations. It’s obviously the case otherwise the industry would not be in slow but terminal decline.
My summation of the majority of the racing experience is accurate and you know it is and so do others on here otherwise I would have been given a hundred pedantic refutations.
It saddens me that you have so much a shallow perspective of the racing experience. Such an attitude can’t be good for a contented soul
I haven’t had a bet all year yet I’ve managed to thoroughly enjoy racing as much as anybody possibly could. Watching the likes of Big Bucks, Sprinter Sacre and Frankel has given me immense pleasure as has savouring the simple delights of racedays at the Hexhams, Market Rasens and Ludlows of this broad and fascinating world.
Horse racing, very much like life itself, is what you make of it. There is a veritable smorgasbord of delicious treats available to the open minded sojourner. But if you’re going to focus on the irrelevant mouldy pastie that’s rolled onto the carpet then obviously, you will find it distasteful.
Anyway Bet, are you winning? Are you getting rich?
I haven’t bet for more than three years Prof.
Between May and September 2009, I was on at-home kidney dialysis and used form study to take up endless hours of crappy treatment and to keep my mind elsewhere. I finished just short of £30K up over that period. My last bet was on 15th September 2009.
Following a transplant in 2010 and subsequent retirement, I’ve set up a tank for another May to September stint next year but there’s a lot of difference between being ‘chained’ to one’s computer as I was, as opposed to being free to enjoy sunny(!) summer days. Don’t know whether I’d be motivated enough this time round. I’ll have to see.
The exception to this is when I go racing, where I’ll just bet tenners on every race without any serious form study. If I lose, I just count it as the cost of the entertainment – I’m definitely losing overall!
Mike
Mike,
I never subscribed, but was quite impressed with what I saw of your Sportsbook service. Has this ceased too, along with your large bets?
I’m glad you’ve stopped betting Prof. Your wisest dscision. It’s clear you were a "mug" who blames everyone else for his poor selections.
It’s not "equine roulette" or a "mugs game", as far as I am concerned it’s a brilliant way to make money!
All a punter needs is a good knowledge of what to and not to take in to account (comes with experience), understand odds as percentages and vice versa, a good form book and be willing to put in some hard study time. Or of course, he/she could just google "Gingers Jumpers" and follow the free tips!You play the game how you like to play it: Timeform does the work and you do the math. Fine, glad you enjoy it.
My summation of the majority of the racing experience is accurate and you know it is and so do others on here otherwise I would have been given a hundred pedantic refutations. It’s obviously the case otherwise the industry would not be in slow but terminal decline.
Timeform don’t "do the work" for me Prof, I just use it as a form book, like every punter needs a form book. Seems as if you won’t allow yourself to enjoy racing Prof, always looking to find fault. So yes, you’ve done the right thing and given up.
Value Is EverythingMike,
I never subscribed, but was quite impressed with what I saw of your Sportsbook service. Has this ceased too, along with your large bets?
It has, yes, after a paltry 23 years no less!
We enjoyed a skewed bell curve of success, being very profitable up to about 2002/3 when the increased competition plus an effective ban on advertising courtesy of the RP began to eat into our customer numbers. We were limping along from 2010 onwards but nevertheless comfortable with the decision to end as we both had interests elsewhere at that stage.
I had a number of calls from long-term customers telling me they had made proper money over the years and two bookmakers who told me that we effectively shaped the betting market at a certain AW track (is that a compliment?)
Anyway, I wasn’t in it for the money. Just the fame, adulation and dancing girls.
Mike
I’m glad you’ve stopped betting Prof. Your wisest dscision. It’s clear you were a "mug" who blames everyone else for his poor selections.
It’s not "equine roulette" or a "mugs game", as far as I am concerned it’s a brilliant way to make money!
All a punter needs is a good knowledge of what to and not to take in to account (comes with experience), understand odds as percentages and vice versa, a good form book and be willing to put in some hard study time. Or of course, he/she could just google "Gingers Jumpers" and follow the free tips!You play the game how you like to play it: Timeform does the work and you do the math. Fine, glad you enjoy it.
My summation of the majority of the racing experience is accurate and you know it is and so do others on here otherwise I would have been given a hundred pedantic refutations. It’s obviously the case otherwise the industry would not be in slow but terminal decline.
Timeform don’t "do the work" for me Prof, I just use it as a form book, like every punter needs a form book. Seems as if you won’t allow yourself to enjoy racing Prof, always looking to find fault. So yes, you’ve done the right thing and given up.
Ginger, I put my punting figures on here. I’m not a mug, not a favourite backer and consider myself to be a fairly astute form student. But it takes more than that; it takes energy and renewed application and interest, and I’ve lost that. I find it a bit worrying that you can’t accept that, preferring the mantra of ‘blame’, as if the huge amount of negative elements the turf punter must battle don’t exist. You overlook all that because you’re Hedge King and enjoy being so. It’s a sort of reverse pocket talk.
Anyway Bet, are you winning? Are you getting rich?
I haven’t bet for more than three years Prof.
Between May and September 2009, I was on at-home kidney dialysis and used form study to take up endless hours of crappy treatment and to keep my mind elsewhere. I finished just short of £30K up over that period. My last bet was on 15th September 2009.
Following a transplant in 2010 and subsequent retirement, I’ve set up a tank for another May to September stint next year but there’s a lot of difference between being ‘chained’ to one’s computer as I was, as opposed to being free to enjoy sunny(!) summer days. Don’t know whether I’d be motivated enough this time round. I’ll have to see.
The exception to this is when I go racing, where I’ll just bet tenners on every race without any serious form study. If I lose, I just count it as the cost of the entertainment – I’m definitely losing overall!
Mike
Glad to hear you are well.
Yes, it all comes down to motivation.
Ginger, I put my punting figures on here. I’m not a mug, not a favourite backer and consider myself to be a fairly astute form student. But it takes more than that; it takes energy and renewed application and interest, and I’ve lost that. I find it a bit worrying that you can’t accept that, preferring the mantra of ‘blame’, as if the huge amount of negative elements the turf punter must battle don’t exist. You overlook all that because you’re Hedge King and enjoy being so. It’s a sort of reverse pocket talk.
Every time you’ve started a betting thread Prof, it’s ended in disaster. You wouldn’t know what an "astute form student" is.
Fine, you’ve lost your "mojo", so don’t moan, just give up racing and be done with it. If you haven’t been enthused about this year’s racing then you’ll never be enthused again.
I don’t ignore the "negative elements to battle" with; in my opinion there isn’t much of it.
Am not a "hedge king" Prof, rarely lay horses. But I would not class myself as a "gambler" either, more an "investor".
Value Is EverythingI’m not a mug, not a favourite backer
Why do you consider the terms ‘mug’ and ‘favourite backer’ to be synonymous with each other? Backing favourites does not make somebody a mug, and vice versa. There’s one or two people I know who I’d consider to be ‘mug punters’, and they rarely back anything at a single figure price.
a succinct and erudite dismissal of those who think they matter
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