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  • #1657879
    Richard88
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    That’s the problem, what do you call it? It is difficult to come up with anything that doesn’t sound euphemistic.

    Perhaps the no doubt handsomely paid top brass could earn their corn and come up with something?

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    Avatar photoIanDavies
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    We should come up with a name ourselves – “excessive use of the Nathan” has a ring to it.

    Anyone got any better ideas?

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    #1657896
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Riding crop *Nap

    “The excessive use of the Nathan on Chezza” I can see it taking off

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    Marligford’s meme about the whip makes a serious point. If the whip/pro-cush/whatever you want to call it is banned on the racecourse and the training gallops, you can guarantee some trainers will still find ways to find out how fast a horse can go.

    #1657909
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    A heavy ground Eider chase will have no finishers without the aid that cannot be named

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    Jason Hart, interviewed after riding a winner at Goodwood, says the horse picked up when he “gave him a kick in the belly”.

    No doubt some people would find the idea of “kicking” a horse offensive. If the “whip” is banned, should “a kick in the belly” be banned as well?

    #1657985
    Avatar photoRefuse To Bend
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    Maybe it can be called the teaser, the jockey encouraged their mount with their teaser.

    The more I know the less I understand.

    #1657986
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    Not sure about “Teaser” – it’s just a dropped vowel away from Taser.

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    “A heavy ground Eider chase will have no finishers without the aid that cannot be named”

    Disagree, Nathan. There’d be finishers, but it’d take a quarter of an hour. And ITV would have to cut to the World Tiddliwinks Final before the race finished.

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    Avatar photoArchipenko
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    You are right again @Marlingford.

    Horses react to the pain / physical impact of the whip. Otherwise there would be no point in using it.

    Animal welfare standards are improving across the board as societal views / perceptions change. For example, look at the way chicken farming has changed. Supermarkets are full of free range chicken products and eggs.

    #1658010
    Richard88
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    Genuine question, has anyone here ever actually seen or held one of these things?

    They should have some sort of stand at courses where people can see the equipment that jockeys use, including of course the ‘implement’. I’d honestly like to see one.

    #1658017
    Marlingford
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    CAS – I agree that if the whip is banned, focus will move to other ways to make horses run faster, and there will always be unscrupulous people out there.

    You make a very relevant point about the mention of “kicking” too, and this raises a whole further set of questions!

    But I still don’t think any these points mean that action should not be taken re the whip.

    #1658031
    Avatar photoArchipenko
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    @Richard88 many many times.

    #1658034
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    I wonder what a post-whip UK racing world would look like?

    Stats so far this year already suggest the stringent whip limits are producing more front-running winners – will hold-up horses disappear?

    Would sires who produce lazy progeny that need lots of driving disappear?

    How would it affect the breed generally long term?

    The affect on Jump racing might be particularly interesting too – a number of ex-Flat horses who end up Jumping do so because they have their own ideas about the game.

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    #1658045
    Richard88
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    Archipenko, what is the bit that strikes the horse actually like, and is the ‘stick’ part flexible in any way?

    #1658046
    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    I notice that the opening race at Goodwood today is named after the great Hungarian mare Kincsem, who came over here and landed the Goodwood Cup in 1878. According to contemporary reports, her (English) jockey, Elijah Madden “must surely have been apprenticed to a butcher. He has, I believe, ridden the mare in nearly all her races, and the only wonder to me is that there is anything of her left, as she was spur marked from shoulder to tail;” fortunately, the mare “won in a canter.”

    How would today’s viewers have considered the treatment of horses back in those days?

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    “How would today’s viewers have considered the treatment of horses back in those days?”

    For those viewers watching in black and white Kincsem is wearing the Ernő Blaskovich coloured silks

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