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Hang on …. the Tories are telling lies ? ….when did they start doing that ? , seriously though Boris is saying ,he hasn’t seen any cases of bullying by his whips ….. Hasn’t he or has he taken taken to walking the corridors of parliament with a blindfold on ….personally id be checking the walls for marks , anyone remember the episode of The young ones were Rick asked who like him and they all put there arms right down …that’s the Tory MPs presently , strange the report isn’t coming out today ….it’s as if the weekend delay could help cool things ….and when the report states there is no evidence he knew it was a party he,ll lift the rug and sweep away ….only it ain’t going to work this time
It’s not like our beloved leader has ever been involved in threats and intimidation before…
It does amuse me to see so many non-Conservative voters swooning around any Tory who will give Johnson a kick at the moment.
First it was “Christian” for crossing the floor, now it’s “Rory” for his predictably damning TV interview.
“Christian” is an undemocratic little rat who betrayed every Tory vote he got for 15 minutes of fame and “Rory”….is still a Tory!
I detest Johnson, but fawning over disloyal Tories or somehow making them out to be national heroes is risible in the extreme.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"The Tories have a 70-odd seat majority, within reason they can do what they like. Funny how despite this all we hear is about how everything is the fault of Labour, Remoaners, The Guardian, Nicola Sturgeon, the BBC, the ghost of Stalin (also known as Jeremy Corbyn) etc. Can somebody tell me about the good things the Tories have done?
First off, spot on – big majority and, whoever leads, they’re in power until December 2024 if they want to be.
End of.
If you’re in a well-paid job and can afford private health care and private education for your children, the Tories have served you well, actually.
But if you’re not they’ve ******* you right over.
Fortunately for the Tories, many poor people are either too stupid to realise this, or aspire to not being poor and want to vote for public sector cuts and tax breaks they’ll most likely never earn enough to take advantage of.
Twas ever thus.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Pretty much sums it up, Ian. People are sold the American dream and are “aspirational” as a result, but unless you have actually reached a certain level of wealth the Tories do not have your interests at heart.
In essence, anyone who votes Conservative is supporting a system that takes from the poor to give to the rich.
This is such drivel
What % of voter send their children to private school and have private health insurance? Are you saying that the remaining 90 plus % haven’t a clue what they are voting for?
Minimum wage levels and lower end tax breaks at lower levels have both risen under the tories so economically thats nonsense
One thing I cant abide is the suggestion that “all “poor” voters are stupid”
Perhaps voters that talk up socialist systems can us their wonderful brain power to inform us of the remarkably successful economies they have produced? I thought not. The “smart” lefties cant cope with either maths or history
And no Sweden is resolutely capitalist before we get that laughable example
And why did they win Red Wall seats?
Because in those constituencies there are large numbers of voters doing quite nicely in sectors such as aviation and auto (huge in the NW) and benefiting from decent value property. They didn’t want a strongly anti business uk hating leader driving such investment away
the tories look after their interests far far more than some anti semitic protestor who thinks Cuba is a business model. And even before that the famously sniffy Ed milliband couldn’t bring himself to mention the word business (big contract with brown Blair) but I suppose in his household it was always known as “trade”
And gladiteur that is total crap frankly. 3rd form stuff. if that was the case then why aren’t tax bands identical across the board?
I’ve voted all three parties but the above previous posts are completely out of touch
If the Tories really cared about the (often working) poor more than they do about their rich mates, why did Sunak renege on his pledge to raise £14bn in capital gains tax?
This could have funded the £20 increase in Universal Credit for over two years. But no; let poor people starve and freeze while millionaires and billionaires can buy themselves another ivory backscratcher.
“Perhaps voters that talk up socialist systems can us their wonderful brain power to inform us of the remarkably successful economies they have produced?”
But, but..it has always been the wrong sort of socialism. It was not done properly. It will be better next time. Just you wait and see.
And don’t mention the mass graves in Russia and China. That would be vulgar and unfair.
As “vulgar and unfair” as mentioning right wing dictators like Hitler, Franco and the like?
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No conservative (small c, not the party) supports Hitler, Mussolini or Franco. We unequivocally condemn them. Their regimes were evil.
Personally, I think the right wing/left wing distinction between fascism and communism is overblown (the former two considered themselves socialists). They are both murderous systems. Two sides of the same evil coin.
Unfortunately, on the Left, you will struggle to find anyone who condemns the USSR or China. If they do, they tend to do so with weasel words and mealy mouthed statements. Many on the Left still openly admire these regimes.
I often ask them “During the Cold War, how many people tried to break in to East Berlin?”
There is very little difference between far right dictators and the likes of Stalin and Mao.
the far left have far more in common with facism than they do with the centre and they are fellow travellers. Never known anyone too really dispute that frankly
“Unfortunately, on the Left, you will struggle to find anyone who condemns the USSR or China.”
Don’t agree with that at all, Ginge. I don’t know anybody who condones the mass starvation and murder committed by these regimes.
Evil is evil, whether it be from the left or right, as Clive rightly points out. However, we are digressing from the point by going to extremes.
“Can somebody tell me about the good things the Tories have done?”
Recently, not much. A party named the Conservative Party is in office. But is it in power?
Christ the way some are talking you’d think the day after a Labour vote we’d wake up in North Korea.
Those on the fringes i.e. far left or right are basically the same thing. As I’ve said before, it’s more of a circle than a line. There will always be a small amount with extreme views either side and none of them will be getting anywhere near power. Neither side should be judged by the extremes.
Fact is, some ideas from the right work better, some from the left. It’s why most people are somewhere in the middle.
It would be better if we could one day see past the tired old quarrel between right and left. Too much politics is tribal and little better than football allegiance. It is OK when your team does it but to be condemned when the other team does.
Three years of studying political theory gave me a lifelong dislike of all them. I think they have done far more harm than good.
WB Yeats summed it up rather eloquently: “The best lack all conviction/While the worst are full of passionate intensity.” The 20th century distilled to one phrase.
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