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You vote for the person, not their party. People need to understand that when they cast their vote.And, once elected that MP is then responsible for representing their constituents in the way that they feel is best for them. Christian has said the Conservative Party is not doing anything to resolve any of the problems facing the people in his constituency. It takes a lot of courage to do what he has done.
I can understand it without agreeing with it, Moehat.
The reality is most voters vote for a Party.
Whether it’s Tory to Labour or the other way around, it damages democracy.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Serious, rather humourless men like him trying to make jokes never works.”
I thought exactly that today.
I don’t mind Starmer, I think he’s a decent honourable guy, but he’d make a lousy comedian on today’s evidence.
Occasional dry lawyer wit at the despatch box, yes, but today’s attempt at stand up had me cringing by the end.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“It takes a lot of courage to do what he has done.”
Sorry, that is rubbish. The only thing he is interested in is self preservation and he has calculated that he has more chance of keeping his MP salary and expenses account by switching sides. If I had voted for him, I would be feeling betrayed.
I doubt you would have had a good word to say about him until 11.30am today. Now he is cosily referred to by his Christian name (no pun intended) and welcomed into the Labour Party despite a history of quite unpleasant anti-Labour tweets.
It would have been far more courageous of him to fight the seat as a Conservative. Or to resign and have a by-election, as he lobbied for before.
The likes of him remind me of Groucho Marx’s great quip: “These are my principles. And if you don’t like them, I have others.”
Cork Boris ain’t going to be able question anyone on either principles or self preservation , of course the Bury lad is going to cover his ass/job , all the Tories with tiny majorities will , they,d be stupid not to …if the ships going down do you want to sit in the dingy or hold hands with the captain …..
Starmer’s job isn’t to be a comedian, especially as the “character / personality” of Boris has fallen so far in the public’s mind. Last thing they’ll want is another character.
Value Is EverythingTo be honest though if you were in his position it would be pretty hard not to point and laugh at Boris … The material writes itself , can you imagine Thatcher doing an interview stating she wasn’t sure of the rules
“You vote for the person, not their party.”
I disagree strongly with this statement. You should vote for policies, not people. Now, no one party is ever going to have a manifesto with which you agree completely, but voting for the party which best reflects my own beliefs as to how to best rectify the country’s problems is my approach to voting.
Do you vote for the Communist Party or Socialist Worker’s Party then, Glad’?
Value Is EverythingTend to agree with you there and I still maintain that in a case like this a by election should be held.
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysI don’t think too many people will be accusing Keir Starmer of being a ‘character’.
Rightly or wrongly, people’s thought process is generally to vote for the party* although they are in reality voting for an individual. Does make me laugh when these nobody politicians get elected and they start spouting rubbish about how the people have put their faith in them etc. Yeah right, without the Conservative/Labour campaigning machine behind you, you’d have struggled to raise the £500 deposit, never mind keep it.
*To some extent I am like this. The Tories are extremely unlikely to get my vote ever no matter who they put up in my constituency. That said, I probably wouldn’t vote for an individual I didn’t like even if they represented a party I did.
I think there should be a by-election upon party defection, if people really did vote for the individual, they’ll get back in. We should also get a general election when Johnson gets booted out. Ludicrous that a handful of party members choose the next PM if one leaves mid term.
Surely you can’t have it both ways, Richard?
Either people are voting for the party or the person.We don’t have a presidential election in this country.
Who becomes Prime Minister is always up to Parliament.Value Is EverythingSo what if a local mp defected to the british national party? Fron labour?
Would that be described as brave?
Increasingly of the view that it has to be a by election in these cases
Ginge- I live in a safe Tory seat, so my vote makes no difference. If I lived in a Conservative v Labour or Lib Dem marginal, I’d vote for the non-Tory.
And that’s the fundamental flaw with our anachronistic first past the post system- there’s no nuance.
There’s so much happening politically my head can’t keep up with it and my anger keeps going off the scale. When I’m in a more coherent frame of mind I’ll try to explain what I meant better. A friend of mine who was a Tory councillor couldn’t stomach the parties policies any more and joined the LibDems. He suffered a great deal of abuse for it and it pained him to leave a Party that he had been part of throughout his adult life. No one takes that step lightly.
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