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He’s not a president. He’s merely the head of a party that was elected. That’s it
He was ditched for very good reasons and they weren’t just the scandals. There is increasing evidence that he was seriously incompetent In office on simple day to day stuff
The party comes first and rightly so
Also a huge number of votes we’re working; because of his opponent. Not because of him
I think it’s now fairly clear that, two and a half years down the line, any personal mandate has been lost and anyway, voters vote for a Party, it’s not Presidential.
Him remaining and causing a constitutional crisis would have been far worse for democracy and in any event it’s not straightforward yet – and I don’t just mean the wording of a couple of Betfair markets!
He is resigning as Leader of the Tories, but right now refusing to resign as PM until the autumn.
This has a fair way to run.
I’d say the Conservative Party brand has been damaged.
It’s not just Johnson, it’s his nodding dog Cabinet, past and present, who are mired in allegations of corruption and sleaze.
I’d say they need a completely fresh face – like Tom Tungendhat – to be able to rebrand, but that’s far from certain.
Boundary changes mean they might still win most seats at the next election, but the prospects of a working Tory majority appear to be receding.
A coalition among the other Parties has never looked more plausible because there is a perpetual anti-Tory majority in this country that have had enough and I think are ready to compromise to bring endless years of Tory rule, with less than 50% of the popular vote, to an end.
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Value Is EverythingClive,
I totally understand your point, however what if this scenario plays out over and over and over again in the future? What should the people think/do where their leader, whom they democratically elected, being “toppled” by a minority of civil servants some of whom may not have even been elected? Where’s the democratic process here?…
We didn’t democratically elect Johnson. Who the PM is is the choice of the Party.
Value Is EverythingI appreciate that, GT. I’m totally familiar with the process. I live in a country whose political and democratic parliamentary process is based on the British system. In fact, The Queen is our official Head of State. So, I don’t need the lectures…
Michael Heseltine was, is, and always will be my favourite Tory.
Simply brilliant on SKY News just now and lucid and witty as ever.
He’s the only person who would ever have made me consider voting Conservative.
Asked what he wants to hear from Johnson at the lectern today, he replied: “Goodbye.”
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I’m sure I mentioned this before but he came to one of our peoples vote meetings and I’ve never before been in the presence of someone so ministerial. I felt that I needed to curtsy before him.
He was not toppled by a “minority of civil servants”
I don’t know where that comes from
I’ve just heard that all of the ministers who have resigned (even after 24 hours) will receive £420,000 in severance pay. Is that correct??
Hesletine’s weakness was that he had even fewer friends and allies in parliament than boris.
He might be an effective communicator but alledgely disliked by colleagues (to put it mildly)
In the long run, Johnson probably does not care. He will sell his memoirs for millions and can earn far more money out of office.
His downfall has been undignified and ignominious but he does not appear to care about the sort of things normal people care about.
I wonder if Boris will open his front door and “moon” the journalists waiting outside?
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways“Boris Johnson wasnt on any ballot box that I saw”
Nor was Jeremy Corbyn, but a lot of normally Labour voters would not vote Labour whilst he was Party Leader.
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways“A coalition among the other Parties has never looked more plausible.”
I think that is Starmer’s strategy. Realistically he knows Labour are very unlikely to win a majority.
He appears to have ruled out any pact with the SNP, correctly figuring that would be toxic in England.
I think he is aiming for something in the region of 300 to 310 seats and then hoping he can form a coalition with the revived Liberals. It is not implausible they could win something like 20 to 30 seats.
If this coalition came to pass, I think its first priority would be to try to introduce PR. That would almost certainly keep an anti-Conservative majority in permanent power.
The only flaw is any change to the electoral system would usually have to be approved by a referendum.
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