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Ginge, I think you and david flood should have a sit down, and settle your differences (If not, you will only grow further apart like Mycenean Princess and Ted Durcan). Come on, give peace a chance…
Best of wishes bosranic, it must be very exciting having a share in such a nice animal, and I hope this thread hasnt put any sort of dampener on what I hope is a promising venture for yourself and all concerned.
Ginge, you (as always) are welcome to your opinion.
You’ve made your feelings quite clear about the connections of the filly, but I’d advise you not to make such laughable, unsubstantiated claims in the future regarding the identity of the horse.
Again, I would like to say thank-you to everyone who have offered their best wishes and to those who have shown an interest in this thread.
I will keep you updated and informed about any race entries.
Take Care
Hope that is not a threat!
Please make yourself very clear what you mean by that comment.
Value Is EverythingI see you have been on the site since my question was asked Bosranic.
Can I have an answer please?
What is it you are reffering to, should I take this as a threat and a threat to do what exactly?
Mark
Value Is EverythingI see you have been on the site since my question was asked Bosranic.
Can I have an answer please?
What is it you are reffering to, should I take this as a threat and a threat to do what exactly?
Mark
If you consider advice to be a threat, then you have serious problems.
I didn’t respond to your rather foolish accusation before because, to be quite honest, I’m growing quite tired of you. Your recent posts strongly suggest that you have an agenda.
This forum is a fantastic place for debate and most members are polite and insightful, offering opinions of interest that are open to debate.
You have been nothing but argumentative. You have moved debates over from one thread to another, making wild accusations in the process.
If you want some attention, then please, don’t seek it here.
Thank-You
Your “advice”, could (emphasise could) be taken as a threat. I did see this late at night, may be I read something in to it that was not there, may be I didn’t. Your silence did not help in that respect. It would help me if you would please explain clearly what you mean. If not, then misunderstandings can happen. This is not the first time in these two threads you have appeared to say one thing and apparently, meant something else. From your last post I take it you meant no threat, thankyou.
As you are unwilling to say what I have supposedly said that is so wrong then with regret I must guess and go over what I said again to explain a few things..
It is not an accusation that David Flood has cheated in the past, he has.
It was you (or someone that gave you these photographs) that “manipulated” a photograph. For whatever reason, genuine or not.
It seemed to me great lengths to go to, just so the two photographs are pointing in the same direction. Anyone trying to compare the two images is trying to compare two different sides of the horse, so it is not in my opinion a fair comparison anyway.
Had you not used a mirror image, with the white sock being on the wrong leg, I would not have looked for any other differences. Did you say “spot the difference” or something? It was only when the white sock was pointed out you told us it was a mirror image.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I can not see any white mark on the nostril of the young filly on the left hand picture. May be it is a trick of light or something else, but with the mirror image and the white nostril, it got me thinking.
What if this is a different horse, with this as the correct view and the first image in the sequence being the mirrored version. The two images do show what look like a dramatic change in appearance.
Therefore, I raised the possibility.
These were not accusations, I have made no accusations, as John Edwards says in his own post, they are comments. I made it very clear this was a possibility, not fact. I can only emphasise had the mirror image not been used, the possibility would not have entered my head.
HOWEVER DESPITE ALL OF THAT….
JOHN EDWARDS HAS ASSURED ME AND TRF THAT THE TWO PHOTOGRAPHS ARE THE SAME FILLY. I AM WILLING TO ACCEPT HIS WORD FOR THAT, AS I WOULD HAD YOU GIVEN THE SAME ASSURANCE (WHICH YOU DID NOT).
I would rather anyone with a horse put it with another trainer, not one who has used a banned substance in the past. If that is an “agenda” then yes I have an agenda. As your agenda starting this thread was to give TRF members the opportunity of part owning this horse with David Flood. If owners did not give horses to trainers who have broken the rules in the past, it would be more of a deterrent for other trainers not to use banned substances. No horses no career.
Yes, I have used some of the same arguments on two threads, but as far as I am concerned they are about the same thing. David Flood’s “second chance”, and being allowed that second chance by the authorities and owners. To start another thread, hoping people would not use the same arguments is wishful thinking on your part.
Sorry you are getting agitated over some of my comments mate. Like I said before if Druid Racing and yourself were to move the filly to another trainer I would wish you luck. I have nothing against Druid Racing or you Richard, shame that is not reciprocated, we just have different opinions on an important matter. I don’t call that argumentative.
Indeed, if David Flood were to find another career, I would wish him luck in that profession. Just not in this one.
Hope you can see I made no accusations and have covered the parts you feel aggrieved about Richard, if not then please say. I am not trying to draw attention to myself, just putting my opinion forward on an important subject. In fact if you want to use PM’s to carry on the conversation then please do.
Please consider my hand out to shake Richard.
Sorry to other TRF members that I have needed to go over so many things again.
Mark
Value Is EverythingNo problem, I accept your invitation of a handshake.
I can assure you that the filly in every photograph is It Must Be Love. These photos were taken during various stages of her young life. John has explained the change in appearance during this thread.
I apologise for any misunderstandings on my part.
Take Care, Ginge
After the misunderstanding with the previous ‘then and now’ (I still find it hard to believe that people questioned it after the left-hand image in its original format is on the post directly above!!
) here is the new ‘then and now’.http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … ndnow2.jpg
And a few extra
Being led up for a swim
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … e-swim.jpgReluctant to get her hair wet!!
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … 1/swim.jpgGinge, if you look at the photos December and January from the initial post, then you can clearly see a tinge of white on the left nostril, although it is far more prominant on the right. It may just be the lighting, but I’ll be sure to have a good look next time I see her!!
Take Care
Richard,
I never had any trouble with any of the other photographs they were clearly the same horse. It was just the young horse on the left of the two together (then and now) I had some difficulty with, that’s all.
Ginge
Value Is EverythingRichard,
I never had any trouble with any of the other photographs they were clearly the same horse. It was just the young horse on the left of the two together (then and now) I had some difficulty with, that’s all.
Ginge
I understand, Mark
As you can see, I’ve added the new ‘then and now’.
I actually think it looks better that way.
I would rather anyone with a horse put it with another trainer, not one who has used a banned substance in the past. if owners did not give horses to trainers who have broken the rules in the past, it would be more of a deterrent for other trainers not to use banned substances.
MarkYou wouldn’t have a horse with Michael Stoute, Luca Cumani, Willie Mullins or the like then?
I would rather anyone with a horse put it with another trainer, not one who has used a banned substance in the past. if owners did not give horses to trainers who have broken the rules in the past, it would be more of a deterrent for other trainers not to use banned substances.
MarkYou wouldn’t have a horse with Michael Stoute, Luca Cumani, Willie Mullins or the like then?
I believe in the cases you refer to Carvills they were when given treatment that should have come out in time for the race, but didn’t. That is totally different to this case. Though technically does come under what I said above, it was not what was meant. Sorry, my explanation was not precise enough for you.
Mark
Value Is EverythingHeard today that David Flood is no longer training.
Can I wish Bosranic, Druid Racing and It Must Be Love all the best, whoever they now get to train her. My problem was never with them.
Good Luck
Mark
Value Is EverythingIt Must Be Love is still in training with David Flood and I travelled to their new base last Saturday.
She keeps improving and has settled in well to her new surroundings. Everytime I see her she has improved physically and it’s hard to believe that she’s only two years and four months old. It’s even more incredible when you consider that not too long ago she was purchased as a very backward filly and had to endure five weeks of intensive treatment shortly after.David said she was his smallest 2YO filly – she’s now the biggest.
She worked well with her new best buddy, Coconut Moon, last weekend. Coconut Moon was only beaten two lengths by Nunthorpe winner Borderlescott in a Chester listed event, despite a poor draw and trouble in running.
She should be ready to run in three to six weeks, quite remarkable really. Although, she will need to lose a bit of her belly first!
STABLE
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF2516.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0452.jpgIT MUST BE LOVE (behind) & COCONUT MOON PRE-GALLOP
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0455.jpgIMBL (behind) & CM POST GALLOP
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0461.jpgIMBL (left) & COCONUT MOON
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0471.jpgCOCONUT MOON
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0466.jpgIMBL ROLL
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0468.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0469.jpgIMBL & JONNY EBENEEZER
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0475.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0476.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF2530.jpgIN ORDER – CM, IMBL, JE
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0477.jpgI’ll try and post a few videos of the visit, too.
NEARLY FORGOT THIS ONE…
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0463.jpgNot sure what all the fuss is about here. Someone has joined a syndicate – the trainer has a licence. End of.
On the point of horses looking very different in photos, I can attest to the fact that how a horse looks in a photo can change out of all recognition once in training. I could show you pictures of horses we’ve owned where you would swear it was a different horse but muscle tone, a clipped coat and a growing horse can all produce startlingly different photos.
Where is her new base, Bosranic?
Good luck with the filly, she seems OK.
Colin
Thanks, Colin
She is currently based at Great Bolas. Nothing fancy, but she seems to be enjoying herself and appears happier then ever.
That’s the best I’ve seen her look. Considering she was a late, very backward April foal who required five weeks of intensive treatment on a haematoma (the size of a dinner plate) at the beginning of the year, she’s far from being the finished article.
She’ll never have perfect comformation. However, go into any winners enclosure across the country and try and find one who does! Her legs won’t get any better, but they shouldn’t get any worse, either.
We can still dream…
NOVEMBER 2007 (*edit*) DECEMBER 1 2007
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … ove1-1.jpgAUGUST 2008 (*edit*) AUGUST 30 2008
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 … CF0463.jpgNot sure what all the fuss is about here. Someone has joined a syndicate – the trainer has a licence. End of.
On the point of horses looking very different in photos, I can attest to the fact that how a horse looks in a photo can change out of all recognition once in training. I could show you pictures of horses we’ve owned where you would swear it was a different horse but muscle tone, a clipped coat and a growing horse can all produce startlingly different photos.
Thanks, Tuffers
Her transformation is quite incredible, as you can see in the photos posted above.
Her improved muscle tone and overall appearance are the results of an excellent training programme. The equine pool (which sadly we don’t have access to now) was also of great benefit to her.
I will take partial blame for the mix-up. I flipped the image entitled ‘November 2007’ when I posted a reply on page one of this thread. My mistake.
She continues to improve and I will no doubt see further improvement the next time I pay her a visit.
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