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Zozo, with my serious head on………..
If the same field lined up today over the same C&D would you back Knowhere @ 1/5? If not, how was he value at 1/5 before yesterday’s race? If so, then I want to lock you in a room and be your bookmaker.
Btw, was Nowhere still value at 16/1 or, did the “value” go once the 20/1 was taken?
Knowhere would have been value at 1/5 let alone 16/1 as it won. A winner is value a loser is not.
Knowhere wouldn’t be value at 1/5 on the action replay!
One of them [b:1zwefoxl]has[/b:1zwefoxl] to get beat one day……….Yes one of them has to get beat one day. But yesterday was the day that Knowhere would have been value in retrospect at 1/5. If I put £100.00 win on Knowhere at 1/5 then I would have walked away with a profit of £20.00
If you had backed £100 win on any of the other horses at 100/1 then you would have lost £100 regardless of what price you took.
Who got the value in that situation in your opinion? The person who won £20 or the person who lost £100.
One bet was a winner the other was a loser, you can hide behind value all you like, but the person who won £20 is £120 better off than the person who lost.
All bets realistically are based on a persons perception of value pre race. My lays are all based on my opinion that the fav I am laying is underpriced and that I will profit long term this way.
However if any one of my lays wins then my perception of that horse not representing value was clearly wrong and I was mistaken in my judgement of value.
Zoso,
This is getting quite ridiculous, claiming Nowhere ‘Value’ at 1/5. If your betting strategy is about finding winners, good for you, but you really shouldn’t debate a concept you clearly don’t understandZozo, with my serious head on………..
If the same field lined up today over the same C&D would you back Knowhere @ 1/5? If not, how was he value at 1/5 before yesterday’s race? If so, then I want to lock you in a room and be your bookmaker.
No I would not back Knowhere if the same field lined up over the same course and distance today then I would not back him at 1/5 (I wont back any horse at 1/5 by the way but that is irrellevant to this arguement).
The reason I would not back him today at 1/5 is because a new factor has just entered the equation. The winner today may be the horse who can take 2 races in consecutive days. It is possible that Knowhere would run flat racing the next day so I would not back him,If however that race was run again today and Knowhere ended up winning again, then yes Knowhere would have been value in retrospect after the race.
PS – You dont want to be my bookmaker because long term I will cane you good and proper and send you bankrupt. (arrogance an essential ingredient in being a successful punter).
Zoso,
This is getting quite ridiculous, claiming Nowhere ‘Value’ at 1/5. If your betting strategy is about finding winners, good for you, but you really shouldn’t debate a concept you clearly don’t understandOh but I do understand it.
WOuld I back Knowhere 1/5 pre race – absolutely not, no way, not even with counterfeit. I would look at that price and think that is ridiculous and I would have to be a layer.
However after the race is finished and Knowhere has ran out a nice winner, then I can say that Knowhere was in fact value at 1/5. He won easily and he won like a 1/5 shot.
Which returns to my original point that too many pundits hide behind the old value line. No value in laying a short price horse that bolts up, no value in backing a big price horse that is unplaced.
Surely it is time this old ‘value’ argument was put to bed. it seems to crop up on the forum at very regular intervals and usually descends into personal insults rather than honest debate.The differences of opinion seem to be more semantics than substance.
Let me attempt a definition of ‘value’ that all parties can agree to.
A value price for any betting proposition is purely subjective and relates to how the parties to a bet perceive the probabilities of each possible outcome to an event, prior to the event taking place or during the event.
The above definition precludes any notion of objectivity in value prices and also makes redundant any arguments about what constituted value after the event.
Any thoughts?
By saying if I back the value in the long term then I will produce a profit is absolute rubbish
Alan Potts -Against the Crowd
There is no such thing as A value bet, there is only MY value bet and YOUR value bet, because the recognition of value is personal opinion
The only true measure of MY ability to assess value comes at the end of each season when i close my accounts
The art is to identify horses whose chances of winning are higher than what the layers say they are
If you can do this consistently (see Carvillshill thread in Daily Lays for an example) then like CH and AP you have obtained "value"
I think that "value" threads always seem to go round the same predictable route without reaching a consensus.
Part of the difficulty is that it is important who says "so and so is value", but that is rarely correctly added to the balance. Take two different hypothetical punters, call them ‘Winner’ and ‘Loser’.
‘Winner’ is someone who has consistently made a profit at punting for many years. When he or she says that something is value, even if it is subsequently beaten, it carries the full weight of a tried and tested good judgement. There are very few sure things in life, ‘Winner’ knows that, so if the selection is beaten it has to be seen in the context of the profitable track record as a whole. ‘Winner’ has every reason to believe that the loss will be more than compensated for in due course.
On the other hand, if ‘Loser’ says that something is good value, you have to factor into the equation that the statement is this time being made by someone who has a track record of bad judgement, that is why he or she is called ‘Loser’, it therefore carries much less weight.
Both may be equally confident in their assertions, but ‘Winner’ ends up with the money long-term.
Mr Potts sounds shrewd and has said what I meant, but has nailed it in a few simple to understand sentences.
I have Waqaar as being poor value in the 2:30 kempton today at 4/6 or shorter and I will be laying him.
If Waqaar hacks up then my judgement that he is too short was wrong and I have not layed value, I have simply made a poor decision and bad judgement. I will be perfectly happy with my lay either way though as I was happy for the reasons for laying the horse beforehand (if I wasnt I wouldnt have layed him) but I will not be able to claim that the lay was a good value lay.If the concept of value didn’t exist in anything that involves money, then we could do away with money.
Rob
If the concept of value didn’t exist in anything that involves money, then we could do away with money.
Rob
Every punter believes he is backing or laying value though, even the muggiest of mugdom betting shop punter.
The end results over a period of time are the defining factor of whether you really did play at value or not though.
Zoso,
Nice of you to say so – simple sentences was what I always tried to write!
AP
Your welcome Alan. I must say I liked the way you put it, I had a look through the celebrity Q&A section you did also and liked your answers, especially this one as it rings a bell with me:
All the successful punters I know share three characteristics –
1 – unshakeable self confidence, to the point of arrogance
I have only ever bought one racing book in my life and I doubt I could ever buy a better one in an entire lifetime, but I may even consider buying one of your books now. (Not trying to be a brown noser but genuinely might).
Zoso,
Won’t benefit me as the publisher went into liquidation seven years ago and I haven’t had a penny since.
You can find quite a bit of the text at zero cost by looking on Google books, and clearly that’s the best value!
AP
Zoso
Posting a list of bets on here is the worst kind of aftertiming. The small sample of your "value" bets we’ve had the privilege to share on here before the event have been uninspiring to say the least.
From your list of bets you are the next Messiah in punting terms but pardon me for being sceptical- if you can post in the Lays and Plays before the event with similar success for a month or two, I will gladly kneel before your eminence then……Zoso
Posting a list of bets on here is the worst kind of aftertiming. The small sample of your "value" bets we’ve had the privilege to share on here before the event have been uninspiring to say the least.
From your list of bets you are the next Messiah in punting terms but pardon me for being sceptical- if you can post in the Lays and Plays before the event with similar success for a month or two, I will gladly kneel before your eminence then……How did you know my stage name?? The Messiah. Your good, Here is Decembers figures you will notice its a losing month. If you think I get off on impressing people on the internet think again.
Lays:
1st-Dec Newcastle 12:40 All For The Cash 2.54 15/8 1st £154.00 -£154.00
Newcastle 13:15 Shrewd Investor 2.30 5/4 1st £130.00 -£284.00
Newcastle 13:15 Karelian 2.86 11/4 2nd £96.00 -£188.00
Kempton 14:15 Fajr 2.82 7/4 3rd £96.00 -£92.00
Newcastle 14:25 Cloudmor 3.05 9/4 PU £96.00 £4.00
Newcastle 15:30 Katchit 2.50 5/4 3rd £192.00 £196.00
2nd-Dec Leicester 12:40 Nom De Guerre 1.94 10/11 1st £94.00 £102.00
Doncaster 12:50 Antonius Cesar 2.16 7/4 4th £96.00 £198.00
Leicester 13:00 Big Buck 1.66 1/2 1st £66.00 £132.00
Leicester 13:45 Green Prospect 2.90 7/4 3rd £96.00 £228.00
Doncaster 13:55 Our Jasper 2.94 15/8 1st £194.00 £34.00
Clonmel 14:30 Callherwahtyoulike 2.54 13/8 1st £154.00 -£120.00
Newbury 15:15 Ring The Boss 2.50 11/8 1st £150.00 -£270.00
3rd-Dec Folkestone 12:30 Mount Benger 3.35 9/4 6th £96.00 -£174.00
Folkestone 13:30 Pocket Aces 3.15 11/8 1st £215.00 -£389.00
Fakenham 13:50 Dundridge Native 1.56 8/15 1st £112.00 -£501.00
Fakenham 14:50 Colorado Pearl 1.84 11/10 1st £168.00 -£669.00
4th-Dec Hereford 13:10 Neversoblue 2.58 5/4 1st £158.00 -£827.00
Lingfield 13:50 Classic Fortune 2.22 8/11 2nd £122.00 -£947.00
5th-Dec Ayr 12:30 Millie The Filly 2.00 6/5 3rd £96.00 -£851.00
Plumpton 12:40 Oh Crick 2.84 7/4 1st £184.00 -£1035.00
Ayr 13:00 Quws Law 2.22 6/5 3rd £96.00 -£939.00
Plumpton 13:40 Iwillrememberyou 1.41 4/11 1st £41.00 -£980.00
Kempton 20:20 Pearl 1.94 EVS 1st £188.00 -£1168.00
6th-Dec Market Rasen 13:50 Miss Shakira 2.84 9/4 6th £96.00 -£1072.00
Leicester 14:00 Abutilon 2.64 5/4 2nd £96.00 -£976.00
Leicester 14:30 Blue Bajan 1.36 1/3 1st £36.00 -£1012.00
Wolverhampton 18:50 Yankee Storm 2.66 6/4 2nd £96.00 -£916.00
Wolverhampton 19:20 The Mighty One 1.99 13/8 1st £99.00 -£1015.00
Wolverhampton 19:50 Cross Fell 2.88 5/2 1st £188.00 -£1203.00
7th-Dec Wolverhampton 19:30 Ninth House 3.10 13/8 1st £210.00 -£1413.00
8th-Dec Navan 12:25 Micktheman 1.90 4/7 2nd £96.00 -£1317.00
Lingfield 13:25 Orange Square 2.32 5/4 2nd £96.00 -£1221.00
Sandown 14:05 Moon Over Miami 2.86 9/4 4th £96.00 -£1125.00
Navan 14:25 Afistfullofdollars 3.00 9/4 1st £200.00 -£1325.00
Sandown 14:35 Voy Per Ustedes 2.34 EVS 2nd £96.00 -£1229.00
Sandown 15:10 Ring The Boss 2.60 7/4 1st £160.00 -£1389.00
Wolverhampton 19:00 Noble Plum 2.32 13/8 1st £132.00 -£1521.00
9th-Dec Kelso 12:50 Mr Strachan 1.79 8/11 2nd £192.00 -£1329.00
Lingfield 13:30 Hold The Gold 3.45 9/4 1st £245.00 -£1574.00
Lingfield 14:30 Grand Caiman 2.22 4/5 1st £122.00 -£1696.00
10th-Dec Lingfield 13:30 Silent Master 1.77 4/7 3rd £96.00 -£1600.00
Lingfield 14:40 Red Blossom 2.82 EVS 1st £182.00 -£1782.00
11th-Dec Southwell 12:00 Weet A Surprise 3.20 5/2 1st £220.00 -£2002.00
Sedgefield 13:20 Ten Carat 2.80 7/2 3rd £96.00 -£1,906.00
Fontwell 13:40 Vivid Imagination 2.92 6/4 PU £96.00 -£1,810.00
Sedgefield 15:20 Miss Pross 2.60 13/8 4th £96.00 -£1,714.00
12th-Dec Kempton 18:20 Doctor Robert 2.68 6/5 5th £96.00 -£1,618.00
Kempton 21:20 Bernabeau 2.86 6/4 2nd £96.00 -£1,522.00
13th-Dec Ludlow 12:40 Park Drive 3.50 3/1 4th £96.00 -£1,426.00
Taunton 12:50 Welsh Main 2.56 6/5 PU £192.00 -£1,234.00
Taunton 13:50 Collisay 2.40 5/4 5th £96.00 -£1,138.00
Taunton 14:20 Acombo 1.71 4/7 FELL £192.00 -£946.00
Wolverhampton 18:50 Mission Impossible 2.70 15/8 1st £340.00 -£1,286.00
Wolverhampton 19:20 Hasty Retreat 2.80 11/8 3rd £192.00 -£1,094.00
Wolverhampton 19:50 Confidentiality 1.50 4/9 1st £50.00 -£1,144.00
Wolverhampton 20:50 Abbeygate 2.72 EVS 8th £96.00 -£1,048.00
Wolverhampton 21:20 Grand Assault 2.88 5/4 1st £376.00 -£1,424.00
14th-Dec Southwell 14:40 Safebreaker 2.88 7/4 1st £188.00 -£1,612.00
Cheltenham 15:40 Snap Tie 2.46 6/5 2nd £96.00 -£1,516.00
Southwell 14:05 Pinewood Lulu 3.50 9/2 6th £96.00 -£1,420.00
15th-Dec Southwell 11:30 Dancing Deano 2.66 13/8 6th £96.00 -£1,324.00
Southwell 13:05 County House 1.73 8/11 3rd £96.00 -£1,228.00
Fairyhouse 13:55 Snowy Morning 2.06 10/11 1st £106.00 -£1,334.00
Lingfield 13:55 Art Professor 2.66 7/4 2nd £96.00 -£1,238.00
Lingfield 15:35 Osako D’airy 2.96 2/1 3rd £96.00 -£1,142.00
Wolverhampton 19:00 Tiger Spice 2.64 7/4 1st £164.00 -£1,306.00
Wolverhampton 20:25 Kirk Michael 1.86 4/6 1st £258.00 -£1,564.00
Wolverhampton 20:55 Lobengula 2.78 15/8 1st £178.00 -£1,742.00
17th-Dec Wolverhampton 13:45 Firewalker 2.18 10/11 2nd £96.00 -£1,646.00
Plumpton 13:55 Mutual Respect 3.25 2/1 3rd £96.00 -£1,550.00
Wolverhampton 15:15 Rigat 2.96 6/4 7th £96.00 -£1,454.00
18th-Dec Catterick 13:20 Watch My Back 2.72 5/2 1st £172.00 -£1,626.00
Catterick 13:50 Polar Gale 2.46 5/4 2nd £192.00 -£1,418.00
19th-Dec Kempton 18:20 Fair Gale 3.15 7/4 1st £215.00 -£1,633.00
Kempton 19:50 Capricorn Run 2.74 7/4 7th £96.00 -£1,537.00
Kempton 20:20 Auntie Mame 3.35 9/4 1st £235.00 -£1,772.00
Kempton 21:20 Dishdasha 2.96 15/8 5th £96.00 -£1,676.00
20th-Dec Exeter 14:20 Minella Tipperary 3.40 15/8 3rd £96.00 -£1,580.00
Southwell 14:30 Propaganda 2.20 EVS 2nd £192.00 -£1,388.00
Exeter 15:20 Helens Wood 3.40 9/4 1st £240.00 -£1,628.00
Southwell 15:30 Cadwell 2.78 5/4 3rd £96.00 -£1,532.00
Exeter 15:50 Pure Genius 2.86 15/8 4th £96.00 -£1,436.00
Wolverhampton 19:20 Prince Medina 2.76 10/11 1st £352.00 -£1,788.00
21st-Dec Uttoxeter 13:55 Gods Token 3.00 11/4 2nd £96.00 -£1,692.00
Southwell 14:05 Alonso De Guzman 2.54 11/8 4th £96.00 -£1,596.00
22nd-Dec Navan 11:55 Sky Hall 1.50 4/9 1st £100.00 -£1,696.00
Navan 12:25 Mick The Man 1.33 2/9 2nd £192.00 -£1,504.00
Lingfield 14:10 Call Of Duty 1.70 4/5 2nd £192.00 -£1,312.00
Haydock 15:05 Endless Power 2.88 13/8 4th £192.00 -£1,120.00
Lingfield 15:40 Gentlemans Deal 2.74 5/4 1st £348.00 -£1,468.00
27th-Dec Wolverhampton 19:20 Ike Quebec 1.76 4/6 1st £76.00 -£1,544.00
Wolverhampton 20:20 Charlottebutterfly 3.40 3/1 6th £96.00 -£1,448.00
28th-Dec Limerick 14:15 Bellflower Boy 2.50 11/8 1st £300.00 -£1,748.00
Catterick 14:20 Cedrus labini 1.43 2/5 1st £86.00 -£1,834.00
Catterick 15:05 Bengo 3.15 9/4 1st £215.00 -£2,049.00
Leicester 15:35 Zirkeel 2.16 11/8 PU £192.00 -£1,857.00
29th-Dec Leapordstown 12:25 Well Run 2.62 13/8 FELL £96.00 -£1,761.00
Musselburgh 15:25 Folk Tune 2.92 7/4 2nd £96.00 -£1,665.00
Wolverhampton 21:20 Beck 2.34 11/8 4th £192.00 -£1,473.00
30th-Dec Haydock 13:00 Rightway Star 3.30 6/4 5th £96.00 -£1,377.00
Haydock 15:10 Labelthou 2.60 6/5 FELL £192.00 -£1,185.00
31st-Dec Uttoxeter 13:30 Alfasonic 3.0 15/8 4th £192.00 -£993.00
Warwick 13:40 William Bonney 2.42 11/8 4th £192.00 -£801.00
Warwick 14:40 Pass It On 2.46 2/1 4th £192.00 -£609.00
Wolverhampton 14:50 Lobengula 2.42 6/4 6th £192.00 -£417.00Here is December E/W. Not a losing month but not impressive either. Dont worry Carvillshill im sure you are the best chap.
Dec-1st Newcastle 13:15 Something Gold 12/1 8/1 UR £200.00 -£200.00
Newcastle 15:30 Blythe Knight 5/1 4/1 6th £200.00 -£400.00
Dec-2nd Newbury 14:40 Gentleman Jimmy 11/1 8/1 6th £200.00 -£600.00
Dec-3rd Wolverhampton 13:10 Zalkani 7/1 15/2 5th £100.00 -£700.00
Wolverhampton 13:10 Born West 8/1 8/1 3rd £30.00 -£670.00
Dec-4th Hereford 12:40 Jigsaw Dancer 14/1 10/1 3rd £180.00 -£490.00
Lingfield 12:50 Thoughts Of Stardom 11/2 5/1 3rd £10.00 -£480.00
Hereford 13:10 Oncle Bull 8/1 15/2 6th £200.00 -£680.00
Wolverhampton 15:00 Muncaster Castle 12/1 10/1 8th £200.00 -£880.00
Dec-5th Ayr 12:30 Za Beau 16/1 16/1 5th £100.00 -£980.00
Plumpton 12:40 Pen Gwen 14/1 8/1 3rd £90.00 -£890.00
Plumpton 13:40 A Bit Irish 25/1 20/1 6th £100.00 -£990.00
Plumpton 15:40 Paco 6/1 10/3 4th £200.00 -£1190.00
Kempton 19:50 Kaystar Ridge 9/2 15/2 9th £200.00 -£1390.00
Kempton 20:20 Soldier Field 11/2 4/1 2nd £10.00 -£1380.00
Dec-6th Leicester 14:30 Zamboozle 7/1 8/1 UR £200.00 -£1580.00
Wincanton 14:40 Monfils Monfils 15/2 13/2 10th £200.00 -£1780.00
Leicester 15:30 Inmate 8/1 6/1 2nd £60.00 -£1720.00
Wolverhampton 18:50 Feeling Fresh 9/1 6/1 1st £1080.00 -£640.00
Wolverhampton 20:50 Evita 10/1 8/1 4th £200.00 -£840.00
Dec-7th Exeter 14:10 Zimbabwe 10/1 8/1 5th £200.00 -£1040.00
Sandown 14:30 Turko 5/1 11/2 1st £625.00 -£415.00
Exeter 14:45 King Caine 8/1 12/1 1st £960.00 £545.00
Wolverhampton 19:30 Not Now Lewis 9/1 14/1 7th £200.00 £345.00
Wolverhampton 19:55 Jazerio 8/1 12/1 8th £200.00 £145.00
Wolverhampton 20:25 Fizzlephut 15/2 11/1 2nd £50.00 £195.00
Dec-8th Sandown 13:30 Saunders Road 11/1 12/1 4th £175.00 £370.00
Sandown 14:05 Mahogany Blaze 4/1 4/1 2nd £0.00 £0.00 £370.00
Sandown 15:10 European Guest 13/2 9/2 3rd £30.00 £400.00
Wolverhampton 19:55 Avertuso 7/1 6/1 8th £200.00 £200.00
Wolverhampton 20:55 Accusation 10/1 12/1 8th £200.00 £0.00
Dec-9th Warwick 13:10 Climate Change 12/1 10/1 5th £200.00 -£200.00
Warwick 14:10 Rookery Lad 12/1 16/1 7th £200.00 -£400.00
Kelso 14:20 Cantgeton 10/1 10/1 9th £200.00 -£600.00
Warwick 15:10 Arnold Layne 6/1 9/2 1st £720.00 £120.00
Dec-10th Muselburgh 12:20 Super Chris 22/1 10/1 FELL £100.00 £20.00
Lingfield 14:00 Zalahawa 14/1 12/1 9th £100.00 -£80.00
Wolverhampton 15:10 Empire Dancer 11/2 4/1 6th £200.00 -£280.00
Dec-11th Southwell 12:00 Ingleby Star 12/1 10/1 4th £100.00 -£380.00
Southwell 12:30 Kennington 16/1 20/1 3rd £220.00 -£160.00
Southwell 15:00 Grand Show 7/1 9/2 7th £200.00 -£360.00
Fontwell 15:10 Lit Et Mixe 9/1 10/1 7th £200.00 -£560.00
Dec-12th Kempton 19:50 Artistic Light 8/1 15/2 8th £200.00 -£760.00
Kempton 20:20 Ginger Pop 9/2 7/2 7th £200.00 -£960.00
Dec-13th Taunton 12:50 Master T 8/1 12/1 6th £200.00 -£1160.00
Taunton 13:20 Moles Chamber 6/1 8/1 PU £200.00 -£1360.00
Ludlow 14:10 Sprosser 15/2 12/1 3rd £50.00 -£1310.00
Ludlow 14:40 Master Somerville 11/1 15/2 9th £200.00 -£1510.00
Wolverhampton 19:50 Arctic Desert 6/1 5/1 4th £200.00 -£1710.00
Wolverhampton 21:20 Elizabeth Spirit 7/1 9/1 5th £200.00 -£1910.00
Dec-14th Cheltenham 13:20 Ofarel Dairy 15/2 15/2 11th £200.00 -£2110.00
Southwell 14:05 The Twelve Steps 7/1 3/1 1st £840.00 -£1270.00
Southwell 14:40 Barons Court 5/1 4/1 4th £200.00 -£1470.00
Cheltenham 14:30 Sir Monty 16/1 16/1 7th £200.00 -£1670.00
Southwell 15:15 Master Of The Cart 3/1 3/1 UR £300.00 -£1970.00
Dec-15th Cheltenham 12:55 O’Toole 6/1 9/2 1st £465.00 -£1505.00
Cheltenham 13:30 My Turn Now 7/1 4/1 8th £150.00 -£1655.00
Cheltenham 14:40 Palarshan 15/2 7/1 5th £150.00 -£1805.00
Cheltenham 15:10 Afsoun 5/1 9/2 5th £200.00 -£2005.00
Wolverhampton 19:00 Talamahana 10/1 11/2 4th £100.00 -£2105.00
Wolverhampton 19:55 Cha Cha Cha 7/1 6/1 5th £150.00 -£2155.00
Wolverhampton 20:55 Touch Of Style 12/1 16/1 2nd £50.00 -£2105.00
Dec-17th Plumpton 12:50 William Bonney 6/1 6/1 3rd £20.00 -£2085.00
Plumpton 14:25 Malaga Boy 22/1 20/1 5th £150.00 -£2235.00
Plumpton 15:25 Mount Begner 14/1 12/1 PU £200.00 -£2435.00
Dec-18th Catterick 14:50 Beau Torrero 8/1 12/1 5th £200.00 -£2635.00
Dec-19th Newbury 12:00 Apocal 5/1 4/1 2nd £0.00 -£2635.00
Newbury 13:00 Burren Legend 9/1 6/1 2nd £80.00 -£2555.00
Bangor 13:20 Kayf Diamond 50/1 40/1 7th £50.00 -£2605.00
Bangor 14:25 Knighton Lad 10/1 15/2 9th £200.00 -£2805.00
Lingfield 14:50 Obrigado 7/1 8/1 7th £100.00 -£2905.00
Newbury 15:10 King Harald 5/1 11/2 2nd £25.00 -£2880.00
Kempton 19:50 Big Timer 6/1 13/2 10th £150.00 -£3030.00
Dec-20th Exeter 12:50 Hugo Wolf 16/1 16/1 11th £100.00 -£3130.00
Ludlow 14:40 Caislan De Neige 10/1 6/1 5th £100.00 -£3230.00
Exeter 14:50 Portland Bill 8/1 15/2 1st £480.00 -£2750.00
Dec-21st Ascot 13:05 Sternenzelt 14/1 25/1 4th £100.00 -£2850.00
Uttoxeter 13:55 Le Burf 11/2 11/2 FELL £200.00 -£3050.00
Dec-22nd Haydock 12:20 Khasab 11/2 5/1 4th £200.00 -£3250.00
Ascot 13:40 Lough Derg 28/1 14/1 1st £3500.00 £250.00
Dec-27th Wolverhampton 18:50 Grapes Of Wrath 7/2 7/1 10th £300.00 -£50.00
Wolverhampton 19:50 Willie Ever 9/1 8/1 6th £100.00 -£150.00
Dec-28th Lingfield 14:10 Andronikos 7/1 11/2 5th £150.00 -£300.00
Leicester 14:20 Caraman 11/1 11/1 3rd £100.00 -£400.00
Leicester 14:30 Mandingo Chief 7/1 13/2 2nd £30.00 -£370.00
Dec-29th Leaopordstown 12:25 Forest Leaves 16/1 11/1 3rd £220.00 -£150.00
Newbury 12:30 Ocean Des Obeaux 5/1 11/2 3rd £200.00 -£350.00
Newbury 14:05 Hells Bay 9/2 4/1 4th £200.00 -£550.00
Wolverhampton 19:00 Wreningham 9/2 5/1 4th £200.00 -£750.00
Wolverhampton 20:55 Moonlight Fantasy 9/2 7/2 1st £540.00 -£210.00
Wolverhampton 21:20 Zabeel House 7/1 9/1 1st £840.00 £630.00
Dec-30th Haydock 14:05 Ballabrigs 6.0&3.0 5/1 2nd £100.00 £730.00
Haydock 14:05 Livingonaknifedge 12.0&4.6 8/1 4th £200.00 £530.00
Taunton 14:25 Zamboozle 12/1 12/1 PU £200.00 £330.00
Lingfield 15:20 Alfresco 11/2 3/1 1st £660.00 £990.00
Taunton 15:30 Follow Your Heart 9/2 5/1 PU £200.00 £790.00
Dec-31st Uttoxeter 14:30 Pharleight Dai 12/1 9/1 PU £200.00 £590.00
Warwick 14:40 Dinnie Flanagan 12/1 13/2 FELL £200.00 £390.00
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