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If you’ve got evidence of cheating Wallace, then inform the BHA. Personally I think you are talking absolute EPLETIVE.
Value Is EverythingHorse racing betting is all about discipline. You have to wait for the right horse, the right race and most importantly, the right price.
For me, racing is the most profitable betting avenue. I’d find it very hard to make a long term profit on Soccer, Rugby, Football or Hurling though I’m sure there’s punters out there that achieve it.
The bookmakers have to bet in every race, we don’t
As others have said, it’s all about being selective.
all you have to look is the levy
I wouldn’t necessarily equate a drop/levelling of levy payments with a drop in turnover Wallace. Levy isn’t based on turnover and some levy has gone ‘overseas’ I think.
Better than giving it to some ****** in a suit employed by companies that go by the name of "Davy" or "Goodbody".
You’d have lost less than 1% (before commission) backing every horse at BFSP in the UK over the last 3 years.
Granted you do make some good points in your opening post, Wallace.
Over on BF in the antepost section we’ve just finished up a Flat season tipping thread where at least 6 or 7 posters managed to turn a profit, one of them over 300 pts at advised prices. I fully expect the same over the jumps season, so it can be done!
Tipping competitions are fodder for wannabes. Unless you are laying down your hard earned to back it up, the winners are always the ones who luck out from picking outsiders thru the card and getting a couple of 33/1 shots in. Look at last night’s ATR BC comp, the top 3 pulled a profit of 1816pts and the entire top 10 pulled off over 1000pts profit. Would they really bet on those 46/1 shots IRL? Like hell they would. Dakota Phone? ffs.
You stand no chance from reading the form, just pick the rag in every race and hope you bag a couple. What’s to lose, apart from pride?I am a casual enough punter. I don’t back everyday i don’t look even pay attention to racing that isn’t on the weekends tbh.
I haven’t lost a fortune or gambled tens of thousands down the drain. I not a punter of horses these days. I like my big bet on a big event example Ryder Cup or the World Cup or 6 Nations or a rugby match. In fact i made a tidy sum on Friday night on Horse racing. I about even in my gambling over my life time but i am well down on Horses.
In my experience i find that general sports are much more straight and not corrupt that Horse Racing. Horse Racing is sooo intertwined with betting i don’t think people these days can enjoy it without giving money to those bookies.
People can say be selective and be this be that but maybe we just shouldn’t back Horse Racing. I am coming around to that view day by day. The amount of skullduggery in this sport is frighting yet their are people who gamble on it and say the same thing.
Fair play to the people who make profits on antepost betting…strangely enough that the only time i have made significant amounts of money. Spotting value in a particular market. But the 30+ races that are on today. At Navan i have seen 2 blowouts already. 2 Fallers in the top 2 in the betting in 2 races. A odds on couple(start me up and 2nd fav) in a maiden be defeated at lim. A 1/4 shot scramble home at ffos las. Horse Racing is just too unpredictable for me to continue to back. Their are soo many variables i can’t see how people can make money day to day.
Over on BF in the antepost section we’ve just finished up a Flat season tipping thread where at least 6 or 7 posters managed to turn a profit, one of them over 300 pts at advised prices. I fully expect the same over the jumps season, so it can be done!
Tipping competitions are fodder for wannabes. Unless you are laying down your hard earned to back it up, the winners are always the ones who luck out from picking outsiders thru the card and getting a couple of 33/1 shots in. Look at last night’s ATR BC comp, the top 3 pulled a profit of 1816pts and the entire top 10 pulled off over 1000pts profit. Would they really bet on those 46/1 shots IRL? Like hell they would. Dakota Phone? ffs.
You stand no chance from reading the form, just pick the rag in every race and hope you bag a couple. What’s to lose, apart from pride?Firstly it’s not a competition, it’s a record of real bets made by the participants- I for one laid out hard earned cash on every selection and I believe most others on there did as well. To answer your second point, if the thread was a short-term one you would be right but this lasted for the entire Flat season, so anyone showing a profit needed a bit more than luck.
My problem is at the weekend there are simply to many meetings and as i like to spend time looking at the form of the best races i cant concentrate enough time on a particular race because i am frightened i miss something elswhere as there are so many races but thats just a personal moan.
Sounds like I’m pretty similar to you wallace. I wouldn’t say I’m the biggest of punters really but do from time to time have decent size bets, a lot of the time I’ll just back for enjoyment.
Horse racing though is by far the worst for me and my faith is such that I won’t put the decent sized bets on racing anymore, I’ll stick to other sports as I believe you have a better chance of beating the odds.
In racing there is just too much against you and far too much in the bookies favour IMO. I spent about 3 hours yesterday morning over breakfast and a coffee or two reading through the racing post and although I picked a few winners out and just about broke even for the day, my banker of the day and the one that let me down mostly was Robinson Collonges.
That’s just the kind of example where you think you’ve done a good job of working out the race and then an unfortunate incident like that comes and bites you on the backside and wins for the bookies again!
Another I fancied yesterday was Bowntobebad in the bumper at Wincanton. Now I know you’re not gonna become rich by backing horses in bumpers but the start of the race was an absolute farce for me and again something it’s absolutely impossible to factor into calculations when you’re trying to weigh up a race! It was the 3.55 just watch a replay and you’ll see what I mean!
I can see why more and more people would prefer to put say £20 in a roulette machine and have a better run for their money on an evs shot than they would if they put it on a horse. One press of a button and either win or lose and no-one to blame except yourself.. Absolutely no frustration at the ride the jockey has given it, or a lack of pace, or fitness, or ground against it, or any of the other hundreds of excuses you could find for a poor run…
Wallace , I would agree with you mostly , very few make it pay , its open to a lot of variables , and you can take that any way you like
My tip is to specialise and gain an edge ,if you cant then drop it and move on to something that suits you , when you find an edge in betting then keep it , if that goes you have to seek another way , remember if its worth winning then you have to work at it
The majority of punters lose , and lose happily , if it is getting to you , then move away and be happy to do so
good luck though
Ricky
I think people might lose more money playing the vile FOBT and roulette machines in betting shops, these are must definately for mugs
Over on BF in the antepost section we’ve just finished up a Flat season tipping thread where at least 6 or 7 posters managed to turn a profit, one of them over 300 pts at advised prices. I fully expect the same over the jumps season, so it can be done!
Tipping competitions are fodder for wannabes. Unless you are laying down your hard earned to back it up, the winners are always the ones who luck out from picking outsiders thru the card and getting a couple of 33/1 shots in. Look at last night’s ATR BC comp, the top 3 pulled a profit of 1816pts and the entire top 10 pulled off over 1000pts profit. Would they really bet on those 46/1 shots IRL? Like hell they would. Dakota Phone? ffs.
You stand no chance from reading the form, just pick the rag in every race and hope you bag a couple. What’s to lose, apart from pride?Firstly it’s not a competition, it’s a record of real bets made by the participants- I for one laid out hard earned cash on every selection and I believe most others on there did as well. To answer your second point, if the thread was a short-term one you would be right but this lasted for the entire Flat season, so anyone showing a profit needed a bit more than luck.
Ahh, that’s different then
Just that these RP and ATR comps really annoy me for the reason I stated. A complete fallacy unless you lay ground rules down ie. only two selections can be made with a RP tissue of 12/1 or more, quarter the odds for placed selections, etc. Any less makes it a lottery based on zero skill.
I have to admit that a profit can be made on the week, maybe even the month. I used to do it regularly. I could just never get past the problem of blowing all the winnings during the inevitable losing runs. Which kinda made the whole thing rather pointless to me.The thread title could be "Is Brain Surgery For Mugs" or "Is F1 Driving For Mugs" or any number of diffcult jobs.
Like anything else, if you don’t have a leaning for it maybe you should try something you are good at.
Its all about expectation level as it is in any other sphere, a Sunday morning footballer enjoys what he does without expecting to get signed by Man Utd.
The problem with punting is that many people EXPECT to win when in fact they have as much chance of doing that as the Sunday player has of playing for United.
Lower your expectations and just enjoy punting for what it is, a pastime with just a small hope of profit in the long run. That profit may or may not be increased with how much you put in, it may not be increased simply because you don’t have a leaning for punting.
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I make a serious profit on Racing, all it needs is hard work not contacts.
Most people I’ve heard gone skint are those that just read standard collateral form, either bet on inside info or try just back the best odds not the horse.
I make a serious profit on Racing, all it needs is hard work not contacts.
Most people I’ve heard gone skint are those that just read standard collateral form, either bet on inside info or try just back the best odds not the horse.
I think some people have made serious money with very good inside info, and lost with very bad inside info.
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I make a serious profit on Racing, all it needs is hard work not contacts.
Most people I’ve heard gone skint are those that just read standard collateral form, either bet on inside info or try just back the best odds not the horse.
Looks like your signature directs us to to some sort of tipping site. So instead of prospecting for gold yourself you are selling shovels & spades
Sorry I’m not a tipster but if you’re looking for tips then I suggest Henry Rix, Isiris, Pricewise, Hugh Taylor and Thommo – heard they’re very good at what they do.
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