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€40?!
Do you know what the admission is for Friday Imperial?
Not too sure THM. Probably about half that for Friday night.
They can feck right off with their €40 for Sunday though. You’d get reserved enclosure at the Punchestown Festival for exactly the same money. Ridiculous carry on. Don’t bother with it and head to Croker to see the Yellowbellies and the Lilywhites set up a mouthwatering Leinster Final
It’s frightfully expensive in the current climate. I don’t think many will fork out that kind of cash.
It’s the final everyone will want to see I’d say, you heading?
I think the armchair could be the perfect place to view a great afternoon’s sport to be honest.
Back to the race, it’s a pity Recital’s out, and difficult to assess O’Brien’s colts. Treasure Beach was 2nd at Epsom but Seville seemed more fancied, so maybe neither are that good. Carlton House it is so. But Treasure Beach beat him.
No bet for me, not yet anyway until we see the final decs.
To blame this as a Coolmore monopoly is a ill educated response.
The fact is John Oxx refused to run his best horse ever in the race and was as unpatriotic as any Irish trainer has ever been. He has nothing for the past few years that warrants a place in a Group 3 race over this distance barring the above mentioned.
Dermot Weld produces nothing year in year out. A whole bunch of nothingness other than the odd stayer who mixs over both codes barring Rite of Passage.
Kevin Prendergast, Kevin who??. When was the last time he won a 3yr old race worth anything
Jim Bolger, has had a woeful bunch of 3yr old this year in the colts division and is the only trainer doing anything the past decade to take on Aidan O Brien.
I delighted the English are coming over and i hope the Queen wins because this bunch of Irish 3yr old colts are a disgrace.
If they made the effort that Ascot makes to enticd foreign horses to run things might improve but maybe Coolmore does not want that to happen? How can they expect people to pay that kind of money to watch Ballydoyle have a picnic for Joseph?
Ruby, it seems like the amount of three year old horses of group one class is very small,hence the lack of runners in the English Derby also every year.(Stout has one ,Cecil none recently) If the Irish Derby was a handicap(based on the free handicap) for three year olds you might get more entries but I am lost for alternatives without a good night’s sleep.Delighted to see the Queen sending over a runner.
Dunboyne Express will be given another chance by myself. And then after he’s stuffed, i’ll probably give him another chance over 10f in the Irish Champion at 500/1 whilst clutching at my final straw!
In all seriousness – he’s surely better than he showed in the Irish 2000? Smart 2yo form in the book, smooth reappearance, backed all week in the build up to the race. Ran like a cleethorpes donkey.
Can anyone with more knowledge than me advise if any reasonable excuse was put forward by connections for this flop?
Ruby your logic is somewhat flawed regarding Predergast, among other things – Pam Sly’s classic record didn’t stop Speciosa roming home at HQ. Take the horses on their merits.
To blame this as a Coolmore monopoly is a ill educated response.
The fact is John Oxx refused to run his best horse ever in the race and was as unpatriotic as any Irish trainer has ever been. He has nothing for the past few years that warrants a place in a Group 3 race over this distance barring the above mentioned.
That’s nonsense. The Curragh stupidly watered all week prior to the 2009 Derby and then it pissed rain on the Friday. Oxx was dead right to go to the Eclipse instead in search of suitable ground.
You are ignoring the facts if you deny that the Coolmore domination of the race is hurting it. Coolmore have won every single renewal of the race since Hurricane Run in 2005. Such domination is not healthy and it’s undoubtedly turning people off the flat in Ireland. Even when Vincent was in his pomp he never dominated the race to this extent. The Derby at the Curragh was always a great race in the past where in many years the Epsom and French winners would clash. Nowadays the overseas raiders just don’t seem that bothered with the race (with the exception of Stoute).
Flat racing in Ireland just leaves me feeling cold at the moment and I’m definitely not alone.
All those Ballydoyle runners and all those second rate jockeys crashing everyone out of the way to win the prize.The whole thing is incestuous and leaves a bitter taste.Then carrying on like it was someone’s birthday when they win.Is it any wonder that serious contenders stay away?They could be racing on the strand at Tralee and there would be more atmosphere.We know they have the best horses in Ireland so why not pick out their best and leave the second and third to others?It is run like a benefit for Heffernan or Joseph.Don’t they realise that we are tired of it and refuse to pay any more to watch them? They should bypasss the irish classics for a couple of years and let the whole thing settle down to where others have a chance.We need the best racing in Ireland not necessarily the best horses racing in Ireland.There must be plenty of group one races in Turkey,Italy,Norway,Canada,USA, etc to be plundered by Ballydoyle and thereby supporting racing all round the world.Have a look at the stallion roster at Coolmore and figure out how many more they need.Nice to see them going to Meydan this year.Look at all the horses the Arabs have in training in Ireland.Even if they move when proven somebody gains besides Coolmore.They put money in the hands of the racing people ,like JP does for the NH.
Would be very, very surprised if Carlton House didn’t win this. Really don’t see how he loses.
"andyod" wrote: They should bypasss the irish classics for a couple of years and let the whole thing settle down to where others have a chance.We need the best racing in Ireland not necessarily the best horses racing in Ireland.
In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious
Do you think Kilkenny would bypass a couple of All-Irelands to ‘give the others a chance’, as you put it?
Would Federer and Nadal bypass Wimbledon?
And how can we have the best racing without the best horses? You could argue the best racing occurs at Downpatrick or Tramore by that reckoning. What people want to see is the best horses running against each other and if Ballydoyle have all the best horses then so be it.
It may not be healthy but it’s the way it is. If Ballydoyle have the three best middle distance 3yo’s in the country why not let them take each other on?
Would be very, very surprised if Carlton House didn’t win this. Really don’t see how he loses.
If Pour Moi wasn’t in The Derby he’d still have lost.
Shoe or no shoe he looked beat and really struggled to get past Treasure Beach, racing more handy and tactics could make Carlton Houses job even harder here.
Memphis Tennessee and Treasure Beach flattered in the Epsom Derby by racing prominently. Seville on the other hand, for reasons best known to team Coolmore was held up, despite being all about stamina. Not given a hard time once beaten and better than placings suggest. Pisco Sour advertised the Dante form at Royal Ascot.
On evidence of the overhead camera, in the first half of the Epsom straight Carlton House made his ground up faster than Por Moi. Faltered and lost a shoe. It could have been stamina. But it’s possible or even probable the shoe became loose and affected him prior to it coming off. And then there’s the fact he had an interupted preperation. It is not often Stoutey applies bandages to his team and it must have been touch and go getting Carlton House there. Will be fitter on Sunday and fully expect the Queen’s horse to get the better of Treasure beach this time. Although will only be a saver. At 6/1 Seville is the main bet.Value Is Everything- Total Posts 17716
They should bypasss the irish classics for a couple of years and let the whole thing settle down to where others have a chance.We need the best racing in Ireland not necessarily the best horses racing in Ireland.
In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious
Do you think Kilkenny would bypass a couple of All-Irelands to ‘give the others a chance’, as you put it?
Would Federer and Nadal bypass Wimbledon?
And how can we have the best racing without the best horses? You could argue the best racing occurs at Downpatrick or Tramore by that reckoning. What people want to see is the best horses running against each other and if Ballydoyle have all the best horses then so be it.
It may not be healthy but it’s the way it is. If Ballydoyle have the three best middle distance 3yo’s in the country why not let them take each other on?
Would Federer and Nadal go onto cenre court mob-handed?
Do Kilkenny field 4 times as many players as other teams, so they can totally dictate the pace and shape of the game?
Ballydoyle know they can garner a ‘classic placing’ for some relatively modest horses, and it’s stud fees, rather than sport, that dictates their approach – to a race that is all the poorer because of it.If they have the horses they would be stupid not to run them. It may not be healthy that the best horses are at Ballydoyle but what sort of a race would we have without them
And that was a response to Andy’s suggestion that Ballydoyle should bypass the race altogether for a couple of years, that’s quite frankly crazy.
This race pays good prize money so why don’t more English or French trainers go for it? As people have said the AOB team is not that frightening and the race is still prestigious so it’s a puzzle. If I was Mr Fabre I would ship Pour Moi over for a shot at another half million.
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Bucks: In that case you will be very happy with the price you can obtain for your selection then
Carlton House suffered inteference (which goes with the territory at Epsom when not in the correct position as TB was!), had the worst of all the runners preparation sustaining the minor injury a week before and then being unlucky enough to lose a shoe during the last furlong! Hardly ideal in any way, shape or form!
Bring it on, hopefully we will get a great race from this POOR field
Treasure Beach was beaten in a nursery as a 2yo (If he’s such a great horse, why is O’Brien running three others in the race?) and do you really think that any of these nags would get within 10 lengths of horses like Sea The Stars, New Approach and Galileo, to name, but a few? You are entitled to your opinion, but I’d be very careful about rubbishing the opinions of other people, as you might end up looking very, very silly.
You may not always agree with someone, but that doesn’t give you the right to hurl abuse at them.
The English and French Derbys get horses who "might" stay, who "might" be good enough. Once it is proven those horses don’t stay and/or are not good enough, there is no point in running them in the Irish Derby. It is usually a race to "confirm" three year old middle-distance hierarchy, not to "establish" it. Therefore, the Irish Derby is never going to get the number of runners of the other two.
Coolmore buys up most of the good middle-distance breds at auction. You only had to look at the initial entries for the Leopardstown Derby Trial to realise that. However, when they dominate a sector to such a degree they should be applauded for running so many. There are only a certain amount of good horses around. Not running them only leads to an uncompetitive race. Doesn’t matter to me who owns each individual. In fact, sometimes it is an advantage to the punter, when second, third and fourth strings are under-bet. Available at a bigger price than they should be. eg. Had a good win on Soldier Of Fortune a few years ago.
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