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A market with Stan James Carlton House is 6/4 fav with Tresure Beach and Recital in the betting.A small field it is with Memphis Tennesee
Notable Gradute Native Khan and Dunboyne Express in race to.
If he goes i think CARLTON HOUSE will win.Everyone talked how Pour Moi just had that better class on the day to beat Carlton House and mainly focused on these two horses afterwards, people forget that Carlton House not just finished behind Pour Moi but he couldn’t beat Treasure Beach either, extremely underrated this season and Nathaniel has made the form look rock solid and since O’Brien will make this very tactical be better to take the fav on again.
Great to see the Queen bring the horse over.
Its between himself and Recital. The other way around and a big galloping track should see Recital in a better light. Looking forward to it now.
Wait until the Decs to have a real firm view.
I wonder will the people who downgrade the Irish Derby continue to do so if the Queen wins?
The good people of Kildare will downgrade the race enough. I predict a sparse crowd at the Curragh unless the gods relent and give us a few hours of sunshine this weekend. €40 for general admission to what essentially is sadly a glorified Group 2/Coolmore benefit these days? The once great race is clashing with Dublin against Kildare in Croke Park this Sunday. I know which one I’ll be at.
At a best price 9’1 I would not give up on Native Khan if the ground was good to firm or firm only btn 2 1’2ls by pour moi
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Carlton House 5/4
Treasure Beach 11/4
Seville 6/1
Native Khan 8/1
Memphis Tennessee 12/1
Roderic O’Connor 12/1
Dunbyne Express 20/1
Notable Graduate 25/1
Best Hello 33/1Carlton House is a worthy favourite in, what is, a poor race, and he’ll be very difficult to beat. He’ll be much more at home on a flat, galloping track and a reproduction of his Dante form would probably suffice. Seville is a bit of a monkey and he ran a real stinker in the Derby, but he’s better than that and, if he returns to his very best form, he might have a chance. Treasure Beach finished second in the Derby, but he’s basically a glorified handicapper and he’ll struggle to confirm the form with CH. Native Khan is a decent horse and if he gets home, he could be the biggest danger.
1 – Carlton House
2 – Native Khan
3 – SevilleSo, we have the 2nd and 3rd from the Derby and the winner and runner up from the Dante and this is a poor Irish Derby?
Very strange comments indeed considering how unlucky Carlton House was with his build up, in running and losing a shoe!
Each to their own, so apart from Pour Moi who would make this NOT a poor race?
Carlton House looks a stone cold lay to me: beaten fair and square at Epsom by Treasure Beach, whose form stands up to the max and should be fav here, whereas CH has been overhyped to the hills because of his owner, won a desperate Dante, is probably in need of a break to strengthen up and the stiffer track on easier ground will mean his run flattens out quicker than it did at Epsom.
Yep, agree with the above. Treasure Beach looks good value.
However, i’ll contradict myself by backing another potential talking horse – Dunboyne Express will be given another chance by myself. And then after he’s stuffed, i’ll probably give him another chance over 10f in the Irish Champion at 500/1 whilst clutching at my final straw!
In all seriousness – he’s surely better than he showed in the Irish 2000? Smart 2yo form in the book, smooth reappearance, backed all week in the build up to the race. Ran like a cleethorpes donkey.
Can anyone with more knowledge than me advise if any reasonable excuse was put forward by connections for this flop?
Bucks: In that case you will be very happy with the price you can obtain for your selection then
Carlton House suffered inteference (which goes with the territory at Epsom when not in the correct position as TB was!), had the worst of all the runners preparation sustaining the minor injury a week before and then being unlucky enough to lose a shoe during the last furlong! Hardly ideal in any way, shape or form!
Bring it on, hopefully we will get a great race from this POOR field
I thought that he was bound by contract to ride Native Khan? Can either party break the contract with impunity? Surely if he cannot ride against him (part of the contract ,)then he must ride him(part of the contract)
I think the wording was such that he is bound to ride Native Khan if the owners so wish and also that he is bound NOT to ride against Native Khan
Is that a real contract? Fair and just? Anytime my horse is running you cannot ride in the race? Heads I win tails you lose.What agent would allow his jockey to sign such a one sided contract? Agree to not ride.Agree to lose his salary,his job when not required by the owner. What judge would up hold it?Jockeys beware.The Power is not with you! Am I missing something here.Was Fallon paid when not required? Jockeys need to stick together. Nobody should ride Native Khan unless Fallon is allowed to ride him.Like Johnny Fortune you could be next.
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