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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    1 242-36 Alkazim 37 3 9-0 David Wachman
    2 12-0 Born To Sea 21 3 9-0 John M Oxx
    3 81416- Crusade 203 3 9-0 A P O´Brien
    4 410-1P Daddy Long Legs 21 3 9-0 A P O´Brien
    5 144- Foxtrot Romeo 252 3 9-0 Bryan Smart
    6 1-33 Hermival 21 3 9-0 M Delzangles
    7 11-3 Nephrite 34 3 9-0 A P O´Brien
    8 12821- Parish Hall 231 3 9-0 J S Bolger
    9 1212-0 Power 21 3 9-0 A P O´Brien
    10 15613- Reply 231 3 9-0 A P O´Brien
    11 21 Speaking Of Which 49 3 9-0 D K Weld
    12 41-1 Takar 19 3 9-0 John M Oxx
    13 415-14 Trumpet Major 21 3 9-0 Richard Hannon
    14 95-630 Vault 13 3 9-0 A P O´Brien
    15 131-33 Wrote 13 3 9-0 A P O´Brien

    Where’s Harbour Watch?…….. :(

    Race could cut up as a few also have entries in another race on the same card.

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    #405103
    andyod
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    For a change this year could be between Washman,Oxx and Weld. But I believe Bolger will sneak up and win .He has been so confidant.

    #405273
    darren83
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    I like TAKAR i think though he lacks the form of those above him he take the step up in class in his stride.

    #405278
    elgransenor1
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    takar is interesting… I think him and hermival are the least unexposed in the field. don’t think much of parish hall or obriens lot, so should be between those two.

    #405342
    andyod
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    I like "least unexposed".Awakens me.Love O’Briens "lot"(ran well at Newmarket though,) utter disregard.However Bolger is no fool.Disregard at your peril.

    #405350
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    I think Trumpet Major must have a good chance of winning this race.

    I have no confidence in Power and I think Parish Hall is beatable at 8f as a 3 year old. I’m hoping he runs well enough to ensure he turns up at Epsom.

    Hermival could be a good thing, but if the ground is good or good to fast he might not like that.

    Takar to me does not seem to have enough speed in his breeding to win this.

    Yes, I’ll go with Trumpet Major.

    #405362
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    takar is interesting… I think him and hermival are the least unexposed in the field. don’t think much of parish hall or obriens lot, so should be between those two.

    "least unexposed" is an oxymoron, moron….

    Parish Hall will hopefully win this then it’s a straight duel between him and Camelot, with Bonfire a close third….nothing else will touch these three in the Derby IMO.

    #405370
    elgransenor1
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    rich 1985, another know it-all numpty added to the block list.

    #405373
    Avatar photoAdmiralofthefleet
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    ANyone interested in Crusade? He won the Middle Park last term, then ran on the dirt at Churchill. Not been out since.

    #405381
    elgransenor1
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    worry with crusade is will he see out the stiff mile. however if he does he’ll be a major contender, that is clear. I was certainly much more impressed with him in the middle park than anything that came out of the dewhurst.

    as for parish hall, I wasn’t at all impressed with that dewhurst as i’ve said, and I don’t think he was the best horse in that race anyway, just that somehow everything fell right for him. quite frankly i’m astonished he’s trading so short and he looks a huge lay.

    #405421
    Avatar photoAdmiralofthefleet
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    Crusade no longer seems to be in the betting on racingpost.com, is he running?

    #405422
    Avatar photoPants
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    Like Power for this, he’s 1121 at The Curragh, didn’t get a run in The Dewhurst, will get gorund to suit also.

    Took 8/1 with Corals earlier in the week, Ladbrokes now have him 7/2 (9/2 generally) which is a tip in itself.

    Agree Parish Hall is too short in the betting, last 10 winners have all had a prep run, I think he’ll have to be exceptional to win this first time out and over a distance that will be on the sort side for him.

    #405423
    Eclipse First
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    Crusade runs in the Greenlands the race before the Guineas along with Nephrite.

    #405460
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    I hadn’t looked at this race ante-post. Expected to backing the unexposed sorts who didn’t run in the English 2000 (eg

    Parish Hall

    ), or the ones who did but ran poorly (eg

    Power

    ). But it seems to me they’ve now

    over-bet

    those by some way. I believe the best value bets now are the "established";

    Hermival

    @ 6/1 and

    Trumpet Major

    @ 7/1 (saved on Takar @ 7/1).

    Power

    is priced up as if he’s both "

    certain

    " to do better than in the English 2000 with different ground and "

    certain

    " to improve even on 2 year old form. It may be "

    possible

    " or "

    probable

    ", but not "

    certain

    ". Parish Hall is priced up solely on the trainer’s bullish reports and insistance his horse

    needs

    a firmer surface… Quite

    possible

    , but that’s

    not

    what his form indicates (

    so far

    ). Also may need further than tomorrow’s trip on his (in)breeding.
    Have to take on trust

    Hermival

    is as good on a sound surface, but he’s still improving and possibly on the wrong side at Newmarket. Ground should suit

    Trumpet Major

    too, although he’s more exposed this doesn’t look (on paper beforehand) a good Guineas.

    Takar

    is the "could be anything" horse.

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    #405483
    Avatar photoTriptych
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    PARISH HALL is my first selection as I was disappointed that he didn’t turn up for the 2,000 at Newmarket and to my bookies delight lumped on POWER who managed to finish last but one. However there was good reason why he ran so badly, as he had encountered interference in the race and was definitely heavily eased at the finish giving us the impression that he had been saved.

    The other odd thing about Power on Guineas day at HQ was that he was the first horse into the Parade Ring, now knowing Aidan O’Brien as we do and how he loves to tend to his best horses before their races, it did not bode well for his chances that day.
    Today at the Curragh I guess we are going to see the real Power turn out, and for that reason I am splitting my bet between these two horses.
    PARISH HALL
    POWER
    :wink:

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    #405486
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    Parish Hall out of Guineas and Derby due to hind leg infection.

    ******

    #405502
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Parish Hall out of Guineas and Derby due to hind leg infection.

    ******

    Parish Hall seems to be prone to misfortune.

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