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I only saw this quickly side-on and it looked a very soft unseat. Can anyone who maybe saw it head on explain what happened?
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"Held up in touch, led approaching 2 out, going clear when rider lost iron, horse jinked right and unseated rider after 2 out (op 4-6)"
Blame the jockey fully. This lark when he was in front looking around when he knew he had beaten the horse in 2nd his main market rival. Crazy situation and 1.02 backers where done badly their.
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We should "blame" unhappy conjunction of circumstances (i.e. bad luck), not Thornton.
As he looked right for dangers, horse stumbled same way, unbalanced jockey who lost iron and fell off. Deeply embarrassing but absolutely no reason for yet another ritual hanging, drawing and quartering.
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Ha ha what a big fecking eejit that horse is! quality.
Saw Invictus at Plumpton, looked overweight.
I blame the jockey. Simple as….it was embarrsing the way he fell off. Looked like he jumped off. If that was a claimer like the guy that rode the horse maid in milan today who got terrible abuse for a mistimed ride.
Choc thorton is a professional jockey, this simply should not happen no matter how much bad luck he had.
i don’t think he can be accused of jumping off, i’d put it down to stupidiy and lack of concentration.. Hopefully he got an earbashing from connections
We should "blame" unhappy conjunction of circumstances (i.e. bad luck), not Thornton.
As he looked right for dangers, horse stumbled same way, unbalanced jockey who lost iron and fell off. Deeply embarrassing but absolutely no reason for yet another ritual hanging, drawing and quartering.
Was he looking for dangers, or just looking down? I’ve seen it in the ATR online replay so only in TinyVision but looks to me like his foot shifted, he looked down (to see if saddle had slipped), horse jinked a bit, game over.
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Was he looking for dangers, or just looking down? I’ve seen it in the ATR online replay so only in TinyVision but looks to me like his foot shifted, he looked down (to see if saddle had slipped), horse jinked a bit, game over.
That’s a good point,
Roseblossom
. It is difficult to tell what he’s looking at, and your hunch might well be right. I haven’t seen what the jockey himself said about the incident, but that isn’t going to stop the usual braying about such incidents, is it?
Move on, people, move on!
I’m usually first to blame a jockey when they make stupid mistakes, but that is definitely not the case here. ATR showed replays from numerous angles, in slow motion and close up. Having jumped the flight Choc’s foot slips from his right iron. As he attempts to put his foot back in, the horse unexpectedly jinks and gravity takes it’s course as Choc is thrown out the side door. An unfortunate accident but nothing the jock could do to stay on board. Frankly anybody who backs a horse at 1.02 with a hurdle left to jump deserves any losses they get, I’ve no sympathy for them, especially when they try to blame a jock for their own stupidity.
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Well said that man! – and thanks for the clarification of what actually happened.
Having just viewed the incident, I think Robert Thornton, realising the predicament he found himself in, looked round to try and gauge how much distance he had between his horse and the nearest challenger – and it was at that precise moment he parted company with his mount.
Now, the question is : could he have stayed on Invictus had he not looked round, thereby almost definitely upsetting any balance he had at that point – answer: yes !
Would his horse have won the race had Thornton not looked round – and thus upsetting all forward momentum he had at that time ?
Answer: Uncertain outcome – but I would venture that any chance he did have of winning; albeit diminishing with the loss of an iron, was most definitely thrown out the window when he decided ( through panic) to turn his head.
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Why did he lose his iron?…more likely because he rides short. A jockey should be aware of this if he does ride short and their can be no excuse. It was gave a bad name to horsemanship.
What did the horse jink at is the question. Did he jink because of what was going on above him?. Cant be no reason why a horse who has been beautiful behavied the whole way around would jink after the flight.
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Having watched the race frame-by-frame, it appears that Invictus jinked AFTER Thornton lost his balance. The loss of an iron isn’t immediately obvious, but it would seem that the horse reacted to the jockey rather than the other way around.
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Rich_ie is correct in my opinion.
I’ve watched the unseating on pause 3 times and I don’t think Robert Thornton is to blame.
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