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I neither need to or want to "prove" myself… was that the point of my original post, NO! Again, and for the last time, all I wanted was some meaningful conversation with like minded people. So far this has been like trying to pull teeth!
I wonder why that is? How can you have meaningful conversation with like minded people, when nobody knows what you are on about and thats because you wont say! Talk about transparant, i cant believe anybody is falling for your waffle and yet those that are, are beginning to look as daft as you!
Cal,
Obviously being a pro-punter, even to a decent margin, requires large capital and high turnover. I was interested by how difficult both Nevison and Veitch found getting their bets on and the team of people they had working for them and the clever ways of spreading it around.
Do you have trouble getting your bets laid and, if you don’t use the exchanges, do you have trouble keeping successful accounts open?
One of my friends went "pro" a couple of years ago but he didn’t have
capital or sharpness to make a go of it. In the end the BF commission crippled him. He didn’t realise that just picking winners wasn’t enough.I’m struggling to understand your motivation for posting here, Caledon.
You apparently have no interest in form, a self-evident emotional detachment from racing generally, and seem to have no intention of sharing whatever betting MO you have developed over the years.
What, then, is there left for you to discuss, given this is a horse-racing forum?
I have to admit to feeling slightly uncomfortable with the less than normal generosity of spirit we might have extended to a comparitive newcomer to the forum. Has it not been a little undignified and disrespectful at times?
What should we expect from new members? Complete honesty? Can anyone hold their hand up and truthfully say that they’ve never been prone to exaggeration once in a while, or have not tended to distort their personal reality from time to time because it helps us to be seen in a more interesting light or perhaps acts as a distraction from more mundane everyday happenings?
How come no one ever laid into me when I ran the thread about living in luxury in the Bahamas? And apart from myself who’s to say I don’t? Just supposing all that Caledon wrote was the fantasy of a great imagination? Perhaps he was only acting-out a story which, let’s face it, has kept us on the edge of our seats. The main thing is that, those who believe they cottoned-on to the charade or felt Caledon was ‘out’ to snare us’ then proceeded to vilify the guy. For what? What purpose has it served? Do you feel better for having unmasked Zorro or the Lone Ranger? I think I know your response, " The guy professed to have a system but wouldn’t discuss it."
Perhaps, in the course of time and with a little more patience and diplomacy we might have learnt more about the person, Caledon. Instead, the drawbridge is up and none of us are any the wiser. This sort of thing happens everywhere that people meet. As soon as a new person arrives in the group they have to be like us or else they are excluded from the party. But at least we feel safe and secure in kidding ourselves that we are amongst like-minded individuals. The problem being that, using that analogy, people tend to lose their individuality and become just one part of an anonymous whole.
Good Luck to Caledon if you choose to fly in another direction. May the flock be with you.
KenI confess I haven’t read all of the posts on the thread, Ken, but I could infer from those I have, that Caledon may have been met with a cooler response by some, than would ordinarily be the case. It was certainly not my intention to play the chill for him either, but I think my question remains valid nevertheless.
If Caledon is strictly a systems bettor, with little-to-no interest in horse-racing as a sport – and his system is not one he intends to share freely with others – then what is left for him to discuss on what is, after all, a horse-racing forum??
This is not to suggest that Caldeon can’t be a valuable contributer to the site. I’m just vocalising an internal question, really.
Cheers Grasshopper, I value your clarification. Indeed, might you at some juncture consider a lock-out/ archive job, please? Mainly because I desperately need to move on with my life! It’s all your fault, Cal. The dishes are piling up and I haven’t eaten for a week……..
If Caledon is strictly a systems bettor, with little-to-no interest in horse-racing as a sport – and his system is not one he intends to share freely with others – then what is left for him to discuss on what is, after all, a horse-racing forum??
What I would have discussed is the differences between how I approach things and how others do. With a few seeds for thought thrown in and hopefully a little research producing good questions/answers a true path to "enlightenment" would have followed.
But hey ho…. back to my own little fantasy world where I seem to live according to others.
If I shared my methods "freely with others", and I certainly could without any prejudice to how I operate, what would I get in return, more abuse?
More than likely I guess, certainly not any warm fuzzy feeling of having done a good deed. Good deeds come to those who deserve them or work hard for them.
If it is you who can close this thread then please do as I have no further interest in it but have to reply as manners suggest and keep getting dragged back to a debate that is proving futile.
What I would have discussed is the differences between how I approach things and how others do.
Well let’s hear how you approach things then, if you’re willing to exchange ideas?
Caldeon, it’s perhaps the "what would I get in return" caveat that prompts the negative responses?
Contributors to the forum generally share their ideas/thoughts/conspiracy theories (delete as you find appropriate) without looking for something in return – they just throw them out there for no better reason than to initiate a debate.
If you do genuinely want to exchange ideas, then I’m sure you will find plenty of takers here. But in order to do so, you surely have to outline your own ideas/theories first, in order that others have a baseline from which to debate?
Good luck with it – I’m sure your contribution will ultimately be valued by many.
Cheers
GrassUnlocked for 24hrs, in case anyone wants to say any final words/dole out any slatings.
It is refreshing to come across a thread where Grasshopper hasn’t made a smart-arse comment.
Caledon, you wrote that you are or were told how much to bet as well.
Did you use the Kelly Criterion in your early days?
It is refreshing to come across a thread where Grasshopper hasn’t made a smart-[expletive] comment.
Thanks for listening. Now for some Mantovani……..
It is refreshing to come across a thread where Grasshopper hasn’t made a smart-[expletive] comment.
Caledon, you wrote that you are or were told how much to bet as well.
Did you use the Kelly Criterion in your early days?
I doubt very much he would understand what "Kelly Criterion" was judging by a post he made a month ago on another racing forum
Caledon
Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Posts: 1Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject: Hi All
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I have just joined this forum today…. looking forward to reading some interesting posts.
Quick question for anybody:
What is the formula for calculating combined odds i.e. if I have a horse at 2/1 and one at 4/1 what is their combined odds and how do you work that out?
Thanks
Rather a strange question for someone who is supposed to have a first class honours in Maths
Wow! No wonder he shirked at my question about the table of…..
Cal,
If you are still out there. Think you misread mine and some others scepticism for attacking. When someone comes on here announcing he is a pro gambler with a "system" that works; he is going to get a hard time with sceptics.As indeed, a newbie who tries to talk about this thing called the Table Of Odds And Chances (sorry Carv, mentioned it again
) and how important true value is; also can expect a hard time of it.Just take a look at my first thread on here, "Question To Tha Racing Media", on page 22 (last post on 27th Nov 08). You are not the only one that gets a questioning from the members, it just has to be expected, and rightly so.
My thread will also answer your 2/1 + 4/1 question.
Mark
Value Is EverythingEthan,
Thanks for defending me on the previous page, much appreciated.
Mark
Value Is EverythingGingertipster, when you made a reference to the Table Of True Odds in a message to me a few months ago, I had no idea what you were referring to.
I found out a couple of days later that you were simply referring to the table that converts probabilities into prices, and vice versa.
It is very useful, but I think you confuse people and give a misleading impression by using the phrase "True Odds".
Gerald
Caledon
Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Posts: 1Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject: Hi All
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I have just joined this forum today…. looking forward to reading some interesting posts.
Quick question for anybody:
What is the formula for calculating combined odds i.e. if I have a horse at 2/1 and one at 4/1 what is their combined odds and how do you work that out?
Thanks
2/1 is 33.3%
4/1 is 20%Combined odds is 53.3%
This is between 10/11 and 5/6.
Do I pass the Initiation Test, and get to join the Secret Circle?
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