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I can’t help keep thinking that Dick Turpin and his connections are continually getting shafted by Hannon. There’s talk about treating each horse fairly, and keeping them apart, but Canford Cliffs is always the priority in Hannon’s mind. Before the season started it seemed that Dick Turpin wouldn’t run in the 2000 Guineas because he wasn’t good enough, [edit: and wouldn’t run in the Craven Stakes because he wasn’t good enough] and first plan I heard was that he’d go for the European Free H’cap. Second plan was that he might run in the Easter Stakes or some other race at Kempton to see how he handles running round a bend (with an eye on the Poulains). Finally, he ends up in the Greenham instead.
It seems to me that Canford Cliffs has first doings at what the choicest races are, and Dick Turpin is left with Canford Cliff’s leftovers.
In this instance, the owners have had to take matters into their own hands, and fork out £50,000 as a supplementary entry fee.
It seems to me that the trainer should have done better by them, and perhaps have entered the horse in the normal manner.
I guess…as his stablemate (who he was closely matched with) beat the current Fav and with Hughes suggesting that the step up in trip by another couple of furlongs may bring out further improvement – they may have thought it the logical decision to supplement him?
These factors might not have been considered way back when?
They’ve made no bones about the tag of ‘Best’ with which they have laden ‘Canford’ with either!
P.s they probably had a look at how close ‘Viscount Nelson’ got to another yardstick in ‘Twice Over’…
The home advantage is always a big plus unless the opposition also has a home advantage.
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I can’t help keep thinking that Dick Turpin and his connections are continually getting shafted by Hannon. There’s talk about treating each horse fairly, and keeping them apart, but Canford Cliffs is always the priority in Hannon’s mind. Before the season started it seemed that Dick Turpin wouldn’t run in the 2000 Guineas because he wasn’t good enough, [edit: and wouldn’t run in the Craven Stakes because he wasn’t good enough] and first plan I heard was that he’d go for the European Free H’cap. Second plan was that he might run in the Easter Stakes or some other race at Kempton to see how he handles running round a bend (with an eye on the Poulains). Finally, he ends up in the Greenham instead.
It seems to me that Canford Cliffs has first doings at what the choicest races are, and Dick Turpin is left with Canford Cliff’s leftovers.
In this instance, the owners have had to take matters into their own hands, and fork out £50,000 as a supplementary entry fee.
It seems to me that the trainer should have done better by them, and perhaps have entered the horse in the normal manner.
You are making it sound bad when it’s not Gerald
Canford Cliffs is head an shoulders above Dick Turpin according to those in the know…like that takes in the whole racing world.
Seems to me John Manley is doing this as a sporting gesture and having a crack…..it could cost him dearly but as he says the horse owes him nothing.
The way I am reading it is he asked Hughsie for advice before even suggesting it to Richard Hannon, then they discussed it and then made the decision.
Hardly a case of John Manley going against Richard Hannon and taking things into his own hands like you suggest.
I think the fact Richard Hannon has said it’s a very brave decison tells us what he and Hughsie think of the horses realsitic chances of beating Rip Van Winkle if he turns up 100%. The racing world has moved on since DT beat CC and he simply is taking a huge leap in fath if he expects to win…The RH will say to RH on the quiet…….that was a bluddy waste of time.
Best of luck to John Manley,he’s going to need it.
Still get the feeling that the owner is having to pay £50,000 to watch his horse run, because there wasn’t a proper plan for it. It couldn’t run in the Sussex because of CC, and it can’t run in the Jacques le Marois because of Paco Boy. I don’t know what race was lined up for Dick Turpin at Deauville, but I’m doubtful it was a G1.
id say fist is 1 of these guys who expects stienbeck to be champion european miler this year.the facts are dick turpin has beaten canford cliffs twice,lope de vega,siyouni and makfi to name a few.if you think he isnt in the same class as canford cliffs after winning a gr1 by 4 lengths then you know nothing about the game.do you remember a horse called ravens pass who everyone said wasnt a gr1 horse or how about henry the navigator who was written off as being just a good early 2 year old.for me if dick turpin gets the extra 2 furlongs then he wins.im sure hannon will then be singing his praises once again.hed have a better chance against goldikova sunday too than paco boy
canford cliffs is patently a better miler than dick turpin
not sure what the problem is there, even the owner frankly states he’d be happy with a place, despite wanting to win
As an aside, a bit more evidence of Dick Turpin and his owner not being treated properly:-
By Tom Kerr 7:50AM 9 AUG 2010
. . . Hannon added: "Dick Turpin could then cross swords again with our own Canford Cliffs in the QEII [Queen Elizabeth II] at Ascot or maybe take on Paco Boy in the Prix Moulin at Longchamp, but he has proved himself a very good horse, and we are all looking forward to Deauville, where we will also be in action at the sales next weekend."See, it is already written in black ink that Canford Cliffs will run in the QEII, Paco Boy in the Prix Moulin, whilst Dick Turpin may run in one, or may run in another, or may run in something else, such as having to be supplemented for the Irish Champion.
Anyway, would probably be better if I held out askimg this question until the final entries are out: Anyone holding out any hope that the Godolphin runner(s) will return to form?
canford cliffs is patently a better miler than dick turpin
On Good ground Bucksy!
Dick Turpin is patently a better miler than Canford Cliffs on Soft ground and if he gets his toe in on Tuesday he will be more than a match for the older horses,i am convinced this Black Beauty is improving race by race and a 11/4m will be no problem!
" Like a streak of lightnin flashin cross the sky,
like the swiftest arrow whizzin from a bow,
like a mighty cannonball he seems to fly,
you"ll here about him everywhere you go,
the time will come when everyone will know
the name of… Champion the wonder horse
Champion the wonder horse"
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id say fist is 1 of these guys who expects stienbeck to be champion european miler this year.the facts are dick turpin has beaten canford cliffs twice,lope de vega,siyouni and makfi to name a few.if you think he isnt in the same class as canford cliffs after winning a gr1 by 4 lengths then you know nothing about the game.do you remember a horse called ravens pass who everyone said wasnt a gr1 horse or how about henry the navigator who was written off as being just a good early 2 year old.for me if dick turpin gets the extra 2 furlongs then he wins.im sure hannon will then be singing his praises once again.hed have a better chance against goldikova sunday too than paco boy
Who’s everyone who said Raven’s Pass wasn’t a Group 1 horse?..more than a few of us made a packet on the horse myself included.
Steinbeck? Got the wrong man there too matey…. first horse I crossed of my list for classic glory and that was after 1 run.
Maybe Richard Hannon has planned DT’s season round about Canford Cliffs because he’s an idiot or it’s my imagination that he’s a top class trainer who knows exactly what he’s doing.
Dick Turpin is a Group1 horse but there are lots of them about and the Group 1 you speak about was against a horse who has failed to see out a mile 3 times now…..DT won because RH placed him properly……If it were up to RH the horse wouldn’t go within a mile of York but the owner wants it so the owner shall have it.
Richard Hannon must know that if Rip Van Winkle turns up 100% and in the form he was in when he scared the living daylights out of Sea the Stars then Dick Turpin will need to be as good as Sea the Stars was to beat him.
Why the hell do you think he never bothered entering the horse? The signs are all there that RVW is on his way back……..he was still in need of the race but ran very well behind Canford Cliffs and Hannon knows Dick Turpin isn’t in the same class as him.
These 3 horses are a step up from anything Dick Turpin has done or is likely to do….I expect the best he’ll do is 3rd if he lucky enough for one of them to run below par and that’s if he does get the trip.
Anyway WTF do I know you’re the genius…..even if you don’t know where to use capital letters
Godolfin seems to be returning after some time in the desert, renewed and ready to fight their corner again.Good luck to them.
Richard Hannon must know that if Rip Van Winkle turns up 100% and in the form he was in when he scared the living daylights out of Sea the Stars then Dick Turpin will need to be as good as Sea the Stars was to beat him.
Why the hell do you think he never bothered entering the horse? The signs are all there that RVW is on his way back……..he was still in need of the race but ran very well behind Canford Cliffs and Hannon knows Dick Turpin isn’t in the same class as him.
Well said Fist, The race summed up in a nutshell I’d say, if anyone compares Dick Turpin to See The Stars, the men in white coats won’t be long in coming round
The question is – How will Hughes ride Dick Turpin?
Theres no real pace in the race and Ballydoyle have unusually not put in a pace maker. Will Rip try to make all? Dick Turpin is usually up with the pace but thats when Canford is in the race. He ran in 5th last time on his win in France. Hughes will surely be happy if its a muddling pace knowing that his horse might not get the trip but Mutagh is unlikely to let that happen.Twice Over forced the pace in the Eclipse and is another likely candidate for front runner but they may not want to sit there like a target for Rip.
Any ideas on how it’ll be run?
What a race and what a week of racing……..better than Ascot and different class completely to what I think is now a highly over rated ( to many handicaps)Glorious Goodwood.
With Saeed Bin Suroor finally in outstanding form ( when did that last happen?) Cutlass Bay looks like a very lively dark horse for at least a place at fancy prices. The sky looked the limit when Fabre had him and the firm going did for him on his debut for Godolphin but he adds a lot of interest here for me.
Rip has the best form on show IMO but Byword has any amount of potential on top of good form with the likes of Goldikova……absolutely do not fancy the shrewdly campaigned(to win his G1s) but over rated Twice Over.
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