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- January 20, 2025 at 19:03 #1718508
Whether on the forum you think she may have no chance, Willie please run Lossiemouth, otherwise the £71K first prize could look like a walkover.
January 20, 2025 at 21:17 #1718512Mullins can’t be sure State Man is the same horse as last year so will want to win the Irish Champion Hurdle with her if necessary would be my guess.
January 22, 2025 at 15:23 #1718609Will always be The Bula Hurdle to me….. the International – really?? Something NH just isn’t.
January 23, 2025 at 12:53 #1718649Lossiemouth not taking part.
The more I know the less I understand.
January 25, 2025 at 15:16 #1718867That has to be one of the most disgraceful heists pulled off by Hendo and DeBoinville there.
All bookies offering distance specials today and they’ve almost ended that great horses career for a payday.
DeBoinville blatantly slowed the horse down while both checking behind and the screen several times.
Ended up throwing the horses rhythm off for the last.One of the most corrupt things I’ve ever witnessed in the sport. They should be investigated.
January 25, 2025 at 15:39 #1718873I haven’t seen the race, couldn’t be bothered with a glorified walkover. I’m guessing it being 10 secs ish slower than the juveniles which is ridiculous even if East India Dock is any good meant any distance bets were in trouble a long way out.
January 25, 2025 at 15:44 #1718876It was odd at the last he went to jump put down then fumbled through it. I don’t understand why they didn’t just go for it and give him a good work out.
The more I know the less I understand.
January 25, 2025 at 15:49 #1718878You will never see a greater example of two races within one – as soon as he went on the others said right its a race for second now lads.
He made a complete horlicks of the last (Nico asked him and he half put down on him) and when you looked at the slowmo replay he did very well to actually stand up – overall a complete farce of a race but then we knew that as soon as Lossiemouth came out.
Personally, I still think he isn’t the CH of old and today hasn’t changed my mind that he is now more beatable than he ever has been – I think the Champion Hurdle could be a lot closer race than a lot of the CH faithfully believe it will be.
January 25, 2025 at 15:55 #1718881Refuse to Bend, he didn’t just go for it because he was riding for a brown envelope from the bookies.
Horse was 10L+ clear down the hill at a half canter and he pulled him up.
Never seen anything as obvious in my life as he wasn’t even shrewd about it. DeBoinville weirdly kept looking behind and then double checking with the screen. It’s clear he was trying to get the distance down for the bookies.
A disgraceful act and I just can’t believe they did it with this great horse.
January 25, 2025 at 16:02 #1718884Just watched it for curiosity, looked like he maybe stumbled before taking off for the hurdle? Could have easily gone very wrong whatever happened.
I don’t really have much to say about the race itself, obviously we don’t have any horses active in the division after CH in this country rated higher than Brentford Hope or Burdett Road probably which is hilarious but not in a good way just like a this is pretty crap way.
January 25, 2025 at 16:04 #1718885My thoughts LD the pack immediately settled for who is going to be second best.
The more I know the less I understand.
January 25, 2025 at 16:25 #1718888“That has to be one of the most disgraceful heists pulled off by Hendo and DeBoinville there.
All bookies offering distance specials today and they’ve almost ended that great horses career for a payday.
DeBoinville blatantly slowed the horse down while both checking behind and the screen several times.
Ended up throwing the horses rhythm off for the last.One of the most corrupt things I’ve ever witnessed in the sport. They should be investigated”.
—————————-One of the worst posts I’ve ever witnessed on here, GM.
Odds offered for winning distances always take into account the chance a horse will be eased down. Punters know this – bettor beware.
Then there’s the fact connections would not have wanted a hard race for his Cheltenham prep…
The mistake at the last was nothing to do with a jockey and trainer “payday”.
And the fact he made a bad mistake at the last and so could’ve had an injury – pulled muscles etc. So the more Nico pushes after the last, the more danger of any such injury keeping him out of the Champion Hurdle.
…Think about it! IF connections wanted to win by fewer lengths they could easily have waited far longer, instead of going clear three out.
Value Is EverythingJanuary 25, 2025 at 16:31 #1718890“My thoughts LD the pack immediately settled for who is going to be second best”.
Yes and no, RTB.
Constitution Hill was so far clear on ratings that the best chance any other horse had of winning (bar a fall) was PACE IN THE RACE.
ie their best chance of winning was to let Nico go and just hope he goes too fast too early.
Value Is EverythingJanuary 25, 2025 at 17:36 #1718897Ginger. I didn’t say he made a mistake intentionally. I said I believe he lowered the winning distance intentionally.
The horse was over 10L clear while only at a half canter. Nico had absolutely no reason to slow that horse down as he wasn’t at anywhere near full speed anyway. Then, after the race Nico said ”we’re going to have to work him next week because he’s had a really easy time of it there”
Why pull him up to a crawl then and allow vastly inferior horses to close on him, increasing the pressure at the final hurdle.
He was 10L clear at the top of the hill and allowed the pack to within 3L at the last. It made no sense.January 25, 2025 at 17:42 #1718898GM23, its an easy pay check for the Hendo team. Nico was never going to give Constitution Hill the office today, its March when they need to.
January 25, 2025 at 17:55 #1718899Brentford Hope could have gone ahead with a yard left and still lost by 3 lengths as he couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag
If Brentford Hope turns up at the Champion Hurdle I’m going Constitution Hill 30+ lengths in a match betGaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
January 25, 2025 at 19:19 #1718901I didn’t say you had said the mistake was intentional, GM. But you said slowing him up before the last was intentional – just so he wouldn’t win by far… And that doing so “almost ended that great horses career for a payday”.
Whether he slowed the horse before the last or not, The Hill was still going to need more work at home. Because once Lossie came out the opposition was never going to be good enough to push him.
Two Years ago in the Champion Hurdle he went at the last hurdle at full speed, stood off and hit the top bar. Lucky not to come down. Having backed him ante-post I remember it well! So in this race Nico had so much in hand he could slow into the last… Which in theory meant not taking as much of a chance. However, doing something different to what he’d done at every previous hurdle can sometimes have the opposite effect.
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