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What are we to make of In Compliance being" not fit enough" to run in the Hennessy?
It seems strange that a horse who won only 7 weeks ago running argueably his best race ever is now unfit. Has he missed work due to a setback?
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Your concluaion is very feasible<br> but let us postulate on the possibilities<br> surrounding what you have actually written
When one excels<br> i.e. pulls a lot outta de bag<br> it will often results in a niggle<br> somewhere down the line
The trainer certainly hasn’t shown punters any consideration this season in his campaigning of this particular horse.
What I want to know is how has he managed to train Forget The Past if the weather has been so bad that In Compliance couldn’t be trained!
Horses differ as to how much work they need. I think its obvious that In compliance had an important gallop a few days ago and obviously it showed that his fitness was behind where it should have been. It happens
SHL
Quote: from SirHarryLewis on 10:24 am on Feb. 8, 2007[br]It happens
It doesn’t just happen. It happens if his trainer allows it to happen. Some would call that In Competence rather than In Compliance.
Illustrates what is so frustrating about racing sometimes. Looks like everyone is only getting a fraction of the story (or they feel that). Question has to be …why?
My view of trainers is that the more candid they are the better the trainer they often are (Stoute being a glaring exception). Prime examples being Nichols and King. They (rightly) have the confidence in their own abilities
I dont have any strong views on O’Brien but get the sense that hes not everyones favorite
Quote: from davidjohnson on 10:33 am on Feb. 8, 2007[br]
Quote: from SirHarryLewis on 10:24 am on Feb. 8, 2007[br]It happens
It doesn’t just happen. It happens if his trainer allows it to happen. Some would call that In Competence rather than In Compliance.<br>
EVERY trainer finds themselves in this position from time to time. O Brien is generally not interested in running his horses in a situations where they are not ready enough to win……unlike a lot of trainers who are quite happy to trot out the "we left a bit to work on" line.
The fact that he had an able substitute may very well have had something to do with it.
SHL
If O Briens gallop wasnt up to scratch and was unable to get the necessary work into In Compliance why didnt he put the horse into the box and travel a few miles down the road too the Curragh where there is any amount of gallops to work on, its a pretty lame excuse in my book, just another example of the cotton wool attitude that is creeping into jump racing all too often lately.:(
The more I hear about it, the more I have a feeling this is more to do with Sean Mulhern. Certainly this trainer is a lot less cotton wool then others.
SHL
I’m saying that if I had a horse being prepared for a Grade 1 race, I’d be p**s
ed off if my trainer only realised 3 days beforehand that he wasn’t fit enough to run.Fair point DJ but he might have blew a bit the other day after missing just a few days work….as is well known, some stuffy horses need all there work and lots of it. Others can almost become fit on walking alone.
alternatively this could just be his owner changing his mind.
SHL
Or the penny may have dropped that FTP was always the most logical runner of the pair?
Three days before the race???? Bloody hell….talk about planning
Reckon its an injury. Bet we dont see him in the GC…
it does seem odd that they managed to gallop/school forget the past, but couldnt in compliance. also, as someone else pointed out, they could have taken him to the curragh.<br>Personaly i dont buy the ‘not fit’ line, entering a horse for a race like this isnt just a precausionary entry, especially as he was favourite. so surely they would have had him working towards this for weeks. <br>there are a number of things that came to mind.<br>1) maybe he injured himself, had colic etc<br>2) they fear he wont stay<br>3) they fear he isnt good enough<br>4) they are aiming him at the ryan air chase<br>5) they think forget the past is better<br>6) R Alner has paid them not to run him!!!! haha <br>
While I too suspect more to the story I really think people should look at Michael O’Briens career and personal life before anyone can describe him as "incompetent". Top class trainer who has more than over come the usual barriers to training sucessfully at the top level.
I would also say again in his defence he is one of the most frank and out spoken of trainers around. Calls a spade a spade. I remember him linching Barry G in the press for the winning ride he gave Essex at Leopardstown in the Pierce hurdle a couple of years ago. Also kept people up to date with DeValiras set back a few days ago before his run at Punchestown.
As for the comparision between Forget The Past and In Compliance…the trainer (from their novice days) has long maintained there is no comparison….In Compliance by far the superior.
Aidan I can only go on what is in the public domain and maintain that it is an incompetent training performance to realise that a horse is unfit for a race only 3 days before said race is to take place.
I’m fully aware of his career and his ‘personal life’ but I see no relevance at all to what the latter has to do with the former on this occasion.
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