Hypothetical no expense spared in it for the money

[arkle55]

hahaha….. yes, very good Matron…. now how can I put this without appearing to be rude…… ah yes, I know…..

Goodlife…. nice to have a decent discussion aint it… I was always under the same impression as yourself, and it did take a few harsh words for me to decide to check it all out…… and I’m really pleased that I did…. yep, it takes a lot of trial and error to avoid the scammers, but if you get a third party that you can trust that recommends any service, its always wise to swallow a bit of pride and just look at it…… I dont suggest that everybody drops what they’re doing and starts following tipsters, the chances are you’d pick the wrong ‘uns, but some of ’em are worth a second glance because its only half the price of a packet of ciggies or a couple of pints of Stella a day….. I pay more per month for all my racing papers…. lol…… anyhow, I’m sure the Dragon has had his/her answer and thats what these boards are about….. nice one everybody, an entertaining thread….. cheers….

MrE

MR E
Would you care to put up some selections for a period of time.
Thank you
Paul

[MrE]

HAHAHA….. that was funny too Arkle, you must be catching it from Matron…..
Now why would I pay £50 a month for a services selections and then give ’em you for nothing…… let me see…. the only answer to that would be if I was trying to sell you something and I had to prove a point…… but we know that aint the case don’t we, I couldn’t give a toss wether you joined a service or not, it means absolutely nothing to me…… you and any of the others can do as you wish and you can’t attribute blame anywhere else……
I realise that you probably didn’t mean anything by this request, but I see it as a bit of a kick in the plums….. you appear to think that I’ve some ulterior motive and that by giving you a free trial that will prove my point….. I have nothing to prove because I aint selling anything…… go and pay for your own stuff, there’s plenty out there….. and I’ve attached smileys at the end of this posting to show that I’m perfectly happy to put an end to this thread now…… good luck guys…..

MrE

[Anonymous]

Surely,proof of the pudding has to be the long-term success of the results. And I would deem that to be at least a period of 12 months.
Mr. E argues for the relevance of the research he has carried out in terms of profitable value for the service he’s paying for. If the delivery does not match up, you’d sack the provider. That research is vital. A repugnance that we feel for ‘scammy’ tipsters is because we know that many people are drawn in on false promises and consistently lose large amounts of money.
Clearly, a paid for service has to provide a consistent profit and will tailor its successful service to meet the vicissitudes of the game as part and parcel of what your paying for. The difference between the best and the rest is akin to the adage of chalk and cheese ( Matron might know that one! ).
Have to agree Mr. E makes a good case for, whilst Arkle fell at the 1st.! Perhaps at Mr. E’s advanced age he is getting a little burnt out by the hard work and challenges of finding his own winners, but who can blame him for looking in the mirror?

[arkle55]

MR E
In one of your earlier post you said some tipsters gave free trials, so why car’nt you. In your latest post you come across as being , emm shall we say a little bit on the defensive side. If everything is really smelling of roses on your side of the fence what harm could it cause buy putting up 3 or 4 winners before the race starts and not after.

Thank you
Paul

[MrE]

Arkle….. I am trying very hard not to be "defensive" because it matters not one jot to me wether you bother to follow through…… nobody on this board will EVER accuse me of promoting or even influencing a member of TRF, thats not what this is about….. and niether do I intend to come out in favour of the tipsters…… what I’m trying to tell you is that for every 100 shite tipsters out there, you’ve possibly got two that are worthy of consideration…… and I will NOT guide you or mislead you in any way, that is up to you….. just let me say at this juncture, that since the start of this month I am 6pts in profit after just 6 days, that ratio sits very nicely for me and I”m happy to pay for that…..
As you so rightly said, yes, I did have a 30 day free trial, if you want the same, go get it yourself, dont ask me… I will not promote a tipster on a public message board….. and you are being rude and naive asking me to do so….. get your own free trial…… if you want to know more, try the PM system on TRF instead of trying to make a pratt out of me on the board….. I’m still willing to help any member, but do it privately without taking the piss…..
YSG…. thats a difficult name, coudn’t you think of anything easier…. just gotta be Welsh….. lol….. giving a paid for service 12 months????… thats the problem mate, how do we know that they’ll be around in 12 months…. I have a different outlook on tipsters now…. they have to make me a profit or they are OUT…. I will accept a break even month or even being a couple of points down, but I will not accept a bigger loss…. if they cant "cut the mustard" then out they go….. I’ll give ’em two strikes as long as the cost is minimal….. I’m after making money, and I’m paying for exactly that, if they cannot put right in their second month what they lost in their first month, they are history….. and it has to be on my terms cos I pay the wages….. all I ask for is a profit (backing or laying) to level stakes…… if they cant do that, they are sacked…… end of story, I’m not a benevolent fund, I pay for a service and I expect to profit from that service……

MrE

[Anonymous]

Mr. E, yours truly, being of that noble Gwynedd branch of the Cymru……for sure ’tis Welsh. Can’t fault your reply to Arkle. Makes eminent sense to know when to pull the plug as it were, and I’m sure you are too wily an old punter not to know that. As you say……end of story and best of luck with it.

[arkle55]

MR E
I will take that as a no then.

[arkle55]

Mr. E, yours truly, being of that noble Gwynedd branch of the Cymru……for sure ’tis Welsh. Can’t fault your reply to Arkle. Makes eminent sense to know when to pull the plug as it were, and I’m sure you are too wily an old punter not to know that. As you say……end of story and best of luck with it.

YSGRIFENWR
If you read MR Es last post you will see a contradiction. It makes me wonder , emm how can i put this, are you both trying to pull the wool over sombodys eye’s.Anyway best of luck in your search for that holy grail.

[Matron]

arkle55,

I would take great care with your words.

MrE has been a member of TRF for over 6 years and in all that time he has never tried to "pull the wool over" anybody’s eyes.

He is a highly respected individual of this forum and speaks as he finds.

Regards – Matron

[MrE]

Arkle…. that really is a whole lot of bumpkin speak….. the words of a spoilt child…. just because you cant get your own way, you decide to throw a tantrum and stamp your feet like a child, you probably are no more than a babe in arms…… any normal person with just a smidgin of an intellect, would have looked at my past posts to see what I was about, but no, not you…. straight into the effluent with both feet….
I do take offence at any ignoramus that accuses me of "wool pulling", my postings on this message board have covered diverse subjects like Roulette, B/J, and staking….. and I’m a winner at all these, others may not be, but I am….. and I have NEVER promoted any service or tried to say something that would ever be seen as conning any person on this message board….. you, or any other member can always email me for any help or advice and I would freely give it, I already do correspond with other members of the board and we all have a respectful relationship….. so I would be much obliged if you would remove your digit from your rectum and stop throwing your rattle out of the pram because you cant get your own way……

Matron, many thanks for jumping in my corner and for your timely remarks…..

ysgrwhatsit…. yes my friend, it is time to put this to bed now, it is not possible to please all of the people all of the time, but I can please some of the people some of the time….. and we will fight ’em on the beaches….etc. etc. etc……

regards

Churchill

[arkle55]

arkle55,

I would take great care with your words.

MrE has been a member of TRF for over 6 years and in all that time he has never tried to "pull the wool over" anybody’s eyes.

He is a highly respected individual of this forum and speaks as he finds.

Regards – Matron

HI MATRON
So where is the proof of the pudding . Please show me or point me in the direction of the correct threads to read, im sure you no this board better than me

[arkle55]

Arkle…. that really is a whole lot of bumpkin speak….. the words of a spoilt child…. just because you cant get your own way, you decide to throw a tantrum and stamp your feet like a child, you probably are no more than a babe in arms…… any normal person with just a smidgin of an intellect, would have looked at my past posts to see what I was about, but no, not you…. straight into the effluent with both feet….
I do take offence at any ignoramus that accuses me of "wool pulling", my postings on this message board have covered diverse subjects like Roulette, B/J, and staking….. and I’m a winner at all these, others may not be, but I am….. and I have NEVER promoted any service or tried to say something that would ever be seen as conning any person on this message board….. you, or any other member can always email me for any help or advice and I would freely give it, I already do correspond with other members of the board and we all have a respectful relationship….. so I would be much obliged if you would remove your digit from your rectum and stop throwing your rattle out of the pram because you cant get your own way……

Matron, many thanks for jumping in my corner and for your timely remarks…..

ysgrwhatsit…. yes my friend, it is time to put this to bed now, it is not possible to please all of the people all of the time, but I can please some of the people some of the time….. and we will fight ’em on the beaches….etc. etc. etc……

regards

Churchill

MR E

WOULD IT NOT HAVE BEEN EASIER TO POINT MYSELF IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF THE CORRECT THREADS TO READ. JUDGING BY YOUR FREQUENT OUTBURST YOU ARE EASILY WOUND UP SO I WILL LEAVE IT THERE AS I DO NOT WISH TO UPSET YOU AND CAUSE A HEART ATTACK. BET YOU CAR’NT RESIST HAVING THE LAST WORD THOUGH.

THANK YOU
PAUL

[grand lodge]

Now now, children.

If you are interested in punting but don’t know one end of a horse from the other then, maybe, paying for tipster information could be the answer. Although, there are plenty of erudite punters, on this forum and another, that provide free information which has stood the test of time and can equal or better anything out there that you wish to pay for.

On the other hand, if you are a punter with a bit of a nose for the game and is still requiring the assistance of paid knowledge then you should really ask yourself two questions:

1. Why do I need to seek paid information?
2. Why am I not finding these selections myself?

It doesn’t work, in this game, to be lead by the hand for a long period of time.

The best advice out there (and all for free) is to see with your own eyes and think with your own mind.

Regards
GL

[arkle55]

Now now, children.

If you are interested in punting but don’t know one end of a horse from the other then, maybe, paying for tipster information could be the answer. Although, there are plenty of erudite punters, on this forum and another, that provide free information which has stood the test of time and can equal or better anything out there that you wish to pay for.

On the other hand, if you are a punter with a bit of a nose for the game and is still requiring the assistance of paid knowledge then you should really ask yourself two questions:

1. Why do I need to seek paid information?
2. Why am I not finding these selections myself?

It doesn’t work, in this game, to be lead by the hand for a long period of time.

The best advice out there (and all for free) is to see with your own eyes and think with your own mind.

Regards
GL

GL
WELL SAID

[MrE]

and you lot are doing so well at betting the horses that you can waste your time feeding this message board….. I think I must be getting a tad tetchy in my old age, but it strikes me that if you were any good, you wouldn’t have to frequent this board looking to boost your ego…. boards like this are for punters looking for answers, and you Arkle, seem to have found the answer….. which begs another question….. if your so bloody good at this betting game, why the hell are you down here looking for free handouts…… GL is right, this is getting childish….. I’ll sign off now, with my tail between my legs, making a promise to myself not to even bother offering help and advice….. I should have kept my counsel…. apologies for a good thread turning sour…….

MrE

[pipedreamer]

Mr E

Have you ever considered the VDW methods,over the last number of years,and what conclusions did you form.

[MrE]

Hi Dreamer….. no, I have never considered VDW’s methods at all…. not for any reason except that its hard work….. what this thread was originally started as was a request for means of making money from betting….. now me, I’m really getting tired of spending hundreds of hours scouring form books and researching different theories….. for me, the answer seemed to be to let others do the hard work now, and then to use their knowledge to make a bit of profit….. so studying VDW is not an option because I’m trying to spend my time living, instead of spending hours in front of this machine as I am now…… here I am, its a Saturday afternoon, and I’m still sat in front of this thing…. sad sod aint I…. so the long answer to a short question is no….. and with all due respect, I dont want to….. I would rather pay 50p a day for someone to do it for me…. and I think thats about where I came in…….

regards
MrE

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