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    Avatar photoGodolphinArabian
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    Is Peter Chapple-Hyam the right person to train to him?

    I think he is giving the connection to him being half brother to Authorized.

    #420286
    andyod
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    Peter is not unlike the girl with the curl right in the…….

    #420354
    Avatar photoAdmiralofthefleet
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    The horse has been overhyped already and it’s not even broken. It’s never going to carry it’s reputation!

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    andyod
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    The horse has been hyped because we need a new Frankel.Coming down to earth is so painful.Some of us never let our feet leave the ground so the hype is just fun.Look at all the hype we heaped on Frankel.

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    Avatar photoMarkTT
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    The horse has been hyped because we need a new Frankel.Coming down to earth is so painful.Some of us never let our feet leave the ground so the hype is just fun.Look at all the hype we heaped on Frankel.

    I think it’s still debateable if he was better than Sea The Stars.
    I think the affection the racing public have for the trainer is an influential factor.

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    Jonibake
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    The horse has been hyped because we need a new Frankel.Coming down to earth is so painful.Some of us never let our feet leave the ground so the hype is just fun.Look at all the hype we heaped on Frankel.

    I think it’s still debateable if he was better than Sea The Stars.
    I think the affection the racing public have for the trainer is an influential factor.

    You can debate it Mark. It was pretty obvious to everyone else.

    "this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

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    Avatar photoMarkTT
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    The horse has been hyped because we need a new Frankel.Coming down to earth is so painful.Some of us never let our feet leave the ground so the hype is just fun.Look at all the hype we heaped on Frankel.

    I think it’s still debateable if he was better than Sea The Stars.
    I think the affection the racing public have for the trainer is an influential factor.

    You can debate it Mark. It was pretty obvious to everyone else.

    Arguable Sea The Stars achieved more in a shorter space of time.

    As for Hydrogen, he has the right breeding but the right trainer ? Have my doubts.

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    J17star
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    "MarkTT":24ezjmyc wrote:

    You can debate it Mark. It was pretty obvious to everyone else.

    Arguable Sea The Stars achieved more in a shorter space of time.

    As for Hydrogen, he has the right breeding but the right trainer ? Have my doubts.

    Firstly, achieved more and being a better race horse are not the same thing.

    Secondly, we know the argument ; Sea the stars won The Derby, an Arc and a guineas! People love to confuse prestige and history of a race with actual context ; what was in the race that year.

    Sea the stars was not a better racehorse. More versatile? Probably, but only because of the way he was campaigned. I have a feeling Frankel would have won from 6 to 12 F in the right conditions.

    Outside of versatility, i cannot think of a single measurement that suggests Sea the stars was a better race horse or achieved more.

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    Avatar photoAdmiralofthefleet
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    First of all stop hijacking this thread for yet another STS V Frankel debate!

    The horse has been hyped because we need a new Frankel.Coming down to earth is so painful.Some of us never let our feet leave the ground so the hype is just fun.Look at all the hype we heaped on Frankel.

    The hype for Frankel was based on his perceived ability whereas the hype for Hydrogen is based on his fancy pedigree and even fancier price tag. Neither of those things is necessarily commensurate with ability.

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    andyod
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    I however believe that the hype is based on peoples need to fill the void created by the retirement of Frankel.

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    Hope they’ve kept the receipt.

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