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    Nor1
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    What I don’t understand is the ownership muddle.
    The horse was claimed from Alan Bailey by Jeff Pearce.
    Why was he then allowed to register this horse as belonging to someone else? Surely there is/should be watertight verification of ownership, not just an invoice but proof of a financial transaction. I realise there are ways round this too, but it would prove that the intention to deceive was there if the horse did not really belong to the registered person.

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    I think a nice bit of skull duggery like this brings more people into racing than racing for change will do in a million years.Whilst the serious betting enthusiast is outraged (I am)many people come into racing on the dream that it’s bent and all the results are fixed and it’s just a question of getting the right information to win a fortune. This is proved by the number of people taken in daily by tipsters and other sharks. It’s also part of the fascination of racing we all like to hear of a successful coup and the idea of beating the bookie. At the end of the day to get the numbers up racing is not really needing to attract the real betting gurus but days/nights out crowds in their coach loads

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    Smithy
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    What I don’t understand is the ownership muddle.
    The horse was claimed from Alan Bailey by Jeff Pearce.
    Why was he then allowed to register this horse as belonging to someone else? Surely there is/should be watertight verification of ownership, not just an invoice but proof of a financial transaction. I realise there are ways round this too, but it would prove that the intention to deceive was there if the horse did not really belong to the registered person.

    Nor, Horses are regularly claimed by trainers to order. Nothing untoward about the claiming of the beast imo.

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    I think a nice bit of skull duggery like this brings more people into racing than racing for change will do in a million years.

    Most probably true. Racing’s image of a corrupt "Toff" sport with opportunities for low-life easy money dies hard, and remains its most appealing aspect for many.

    Coincidentally, I’ve recently watched Michael Powell’s 1934 thriller

    The Fire Raisers

    which has a whole underworld racing sub-plot (a social climbing owner with dubious probity confronting his shrewd but equally dubious northern trainer) which seems as if it could have been written … well, yesterday.

    The Grand National footage is of

    Kellsboro Jack

    winning in 1933, and it’s much clearer than we can see on the Youtube pathe newsreel available.

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    Nor1
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    Nor, Horses are regularly claimed by trainers to order. Nothing untoward about the claiming of the beast imo.

    Totally agree Smithy.
    But what I don’t get is these horses sometimes transfer into new ownerships and this does not appear to need absolute proof.
    Trainers could therefore say anyone owns them, when in some cases this may not be true.

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    I do not understand the ownership angle either. Horses are regularly registered under names that are not that real owners. Many for tax reasons, some for other reasons. I know of at least 4 horses currently in training who are not owned by the people the BHA/Weatherbys have as registered. Also from my own experience when I rang to register myself as an owner I was not asked to prove I legally owned the horse I said was mine, and I never have been, even though my horse was previously registered under another owner.
    I also think that O’Dwyer has been a bit hard done by.
    And although there were no phone records between the three didn’t mean there wasn’t any other kind of communication, although that can’t be proved as no evidence of any, how can they be used against them?
    O’Dwyer going out with the daughter should be irrelevant as personal, and Jerry has been known as a bit of a ‘boy’ in the past with women so it would mean nothing who he was seeing at the time of the race.

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    I only buy the RP on a Saturday so have not seen any news of either who is going to train Pearce’s horses in the same location or who they are moving to, does anyone know please?

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