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Has a small hindquarter.
The question is: what does this determine? A sprinter, a stayer, better on hard or soft ground?
I will have many, MANY questions about horse conformation determining traits, strengths, weaknesses in a racehorse in the near future.
Thanks in advance!
PS. The horse is a colt called Lone Wolf, by Coolmore stallion Encosta De Lago, out of a Group 3 winning mare One World. It is with champion Melbourne trainer Lee Freedman. I was a fan of the racemare and it is her first foal. I am very excited about it!
In no way an expert on conformation…….but it is generally accepted, I believe, that sprinters have big bums.
Colin
That will help plenty Seabird. Thanks!
If there is more information about horse conformation determining horse traits then please fire away. I think the size and lengths of the shoulder, neck and back are important, too?
Time was that there was a very useful guide to horse conformation, including definitions of all the recognised terms ("close-coupled", "sparely made", etc), on the Timeform website, but I’m unable to dig it up now. Maybe Prufrock or DJ know if this is still available?
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a good wide chest hopefully would indicate good lung capacity, much needed for a sprinter, horses don’t fully breathe when flat out.
Would’ve thought small hind quarters are a negative whatever the distance requirements, but particularly with sprinters.
For reasons I don’t understand, the first foal a mare produces is often on the small side.
What were the distance requirements of Lone Wolf’s sire, dam and dams sire? And the stamina index of the sire and dams sire?
A horse bred for sprinting is never going to become a stayer, just because of its conformation.
I think temperament has a lot to do with the stamina requirements of a horse too. A nervy type is unlikely to stay as far as its breeding suggests. Where as a lethargic or relaxed one is likely to stay further than breeding indicates.
Value Is EverythingIm guessing a 2yo?
He is very bum high, which means he hasn’t stopped growing yet. He is likely to fill out all over and needs the time to do so.What were the distance requirements of Lone Wolf’s sire, dam and dams sire? And the stamina index of the sire and dams sire?
What do you mean, exactly? How does one determine these, Ginge? Where can I find out?
What were the distance requirements of Lone Wolf’s sire, dam and dams sire? And the stamina index of the sire and dams sire?
What do you mean, exactly? How does one determine these, Ginge? Where can I find out?
Put it another way,
At what distance were the sire, dam and dams sire at their best?
What is the average winning distance of the sire and dams sires progeny?If it were European stock I would look it up in my Timeform 2007 Stallion Statistical Review book. But for antipodean sires etc. don’t know Myles. Doubt if our Racing Post website covers it.
Ginge
Value Is EverythingI was pretty sure that was what you meant – but had to confirm.
Encosta De Lago should be in the RP’s list, seeing as though he had a stint in Ireland.
Encosta De Lago was a sprinter/miler.
One World won races at 900m – 1200m. She was by Danehill. Her dam, Prawn Cocktail, was unraced but a half-sister to Royal Academy and Terlingua (dam of Storm Cat).
We are halfway into the season and Lone Wolf has not been released onto the racetrack yet. I assume that he has plenty of filling out to do after reading his bloodlines.
This site might help you a bit although it is a 2yo specialism.
http://www.b2yor.co.uk/by2or_prev_explain.htm
Actually an excellent website overall which I would recommend and have no idea why the author is giving such info away for free!
Hugs and kisses to you Alderbrook. Cheers mate!
It’ll help because this Saturday is the Group 1 Blue Diamond Stakes, Australia’s second/third biggest juvenile race. And I’ll be in the paddock, too!
I may have already received an answer to this but, I must confirm.
Big shoulder/chest – small hindquarter = ???
Small shoulder/chest – big hindquarter = ???
Speed or stamina?
This is with regards to thoroughbred yearlings/2YOs.
Thankyou in advance!
Don’t want to be rude Myles wouldn’t dream of it but take a tip from an old hand.
There are thousands of photographs available on the internet of great sprinters, middle distance and stayers.
Download as many as you can and study them and that way you will learn a lot more than asking people who are not really qualified to tell you.
I doubt if there are many Tommy Stacks’ on here. Just a case of grouping them studying tehm side to side and noting which similarities they have and what features are most common.
Look and learn mate then you will be able to tell rather than ask which should be your goal,
Are you sure? I really do expect quite learned horsemen in this forum – it is why I was attracted to it in the first place.
My opinion was that a larger shoulder provides more explosive speed whilst a larger hindquarter helps push through the stamina barriers.
Sort of more to the point – I am not confident enough to understand the difference between one horse and another.
Eg. There is size of the barrel, length of the main body, depth and length of the neck, muscle thickness in the gaskin and forearm, the angle differences in the toe bones, how to determine size of eyes, nostrils, ears … you name it.
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